Franco Freda and Italian nazi-maoism

submitted by Rakean93Identitarian socialist from self.debatealtright

https://youtu.be/Nb-FL-AwDyQ

I found this documentary and it's probably quite an interesting view. A lot of people here are anti-communists without any real reason, and think that nazional-bolshevism is a strange fringe russian Suprematist group. I'd like to stress the fact that there's a strong tradition of actual socialism in the European far right. What we criticized about socialism during the first half of the last century was the socially disruptive theory that eventually became mainstream in the liberal capitalistic society. Freda is still alive and running his press in Italy.

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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Zoltanous has magnificent audiobook of his, Disintegration of the System.

Very recommended listening to everyone.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm probably one of the most pro-socialism guys on this sub.

[–]nordmannenLegionnaire 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Based Frankish supersoldier

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

*Flemish 😎

[–]nordmannenLegionnaire 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Fug. The other two descriptors are still valid

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      [–]DouglasMacarthur 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      The "Silent" generation (Xiden's generation) are the ones who have put us in this position as well as millennial filth.

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        [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        This.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        settle down chief

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          [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

          him and socks want you to get mad and then waste time focusing on their lame posts and then get sick of the site and stop coming here.

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            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            I hear you, I only talk to them when I'm bored, I'm aware of their goals tho.

            [–]PrawoJazdy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            He isn't even 'pro-Republican'. He's literally made Reddit comments in favour of Antifa, laughably claiming that a non-existent 'White supremacy' is somehow a bigger threat than they are. Who was out rioting three days ago in Maryland? Who keeps showing up uninvited every time a Republican rally is held?

            [–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Why should we be pro-communsim? Why should we entertain the markedly anti-White and anti-natural ideas of Marxism and Communism?

            Communism, even when separated from Marxism, is an unachievable and dare I say undesirable in some respects goal.

            The actual socialism you describe is almost certainly in reference to Right Wing/Prussian Socialism and by extension National Socialism. These ideas are completely divorced from Leftism and have a completely different basis.

            We needn't look at enemies who hate us for support when their "support" would be both counterproductive and unnecessary, should it even be lent.

            [–]PrawoJazdy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

            I haven't seen this or know of Franco Freda. Zoltanous, however... I have seen two of the previous works of both him and those associated with him.

            Where do I start with this guy?

            First, he foolishly revealed that he was part of a National Guard unit sent to deal with nearby riotous BLM filth, and made 'edgy' statements which led to an investigation. Since he had already 'face revealed' online, this rapidly led to him being identified. He claims that he was then interrogated by Feds and made an offer: become an informant or be forced to walk into BLM crowds with a swastika flag draped around him as some sort of (probably) illegal punishment; however, he avoided doing either. He was still thereafter removed from the National Guard, with the media reporting on his removal.

            Next, his atrocious comments on the Holodomor that betray a morally bankrupt "Might Makes Right" position, alongside a dumbly nodding Richard Spencer. https://odysee.com/@martinezperspective:2/zoltanfag-spencer-holodomor1:e

            Such comments have obvious unintended consequences: they very easily could be used to justify White genocide in the most literal sense of the term, i.e. if you fight back against the state for any reason, 'actively rebelling against a power that is in control of [you], which is basically force', the state killing you will be 'basically justified on those grounds'.

            Next, just watch this video here, which is something of an argument against him in itself: https://odysee.com/@martinezperspective:2/mask-off-zoltanfag1:1

            Finally, the organized attempts of both him and those in his circles to rehabilitate 'second position' M-Ls in order to attempt bridging a gap to the Reds against liberal globalist capitalism. This leads him to participate in a praising of Japanese Marxist Inejiro Asanuma in an admittedly well-polished video with impressive production quality. I have, however, found that this video contains at least two pieces of obvious misinformation, both of which seriously damage the narrative being woven within, and one of those claims is not just wrong but the precise opposite of the truth:

            https://odysee.com/@Zolt:b/trim.791AC01A-2874-4382-9FE2-9EAE08AB1D30:2

            When questioned about this, he promptly deleted both my comment and a comment from a third person that thankfully provided an answer that I could still partially view in my notifications. This source was a Twitter thread (https://twtext.com/article/1107113259591704576), purporting to be summarizing someone else's translation of Japanese texts. They had practically copied verbatim this information into their documentary.

            Zoltanous and friends do not stop there. Next, they proceed to praise the DPRK outright, having already praised both Mao and Kim Il-Sung in the previous documentary. I should add that I have located no misinformation contained within this time around:

            https://odysee.com/@Zolt:b/trim.29A044A8-6F06-4D4E-BD0D-C432C15EBC24:9

            I will provide a brief summary of their argument for why the DPRK isn't just another Far-Left cesspool in the vein of Cuba or Venezuela:

            1. After the collapse of fascism, fascists supposedly began aligning with Marxism to fight capitalism;

            2. The DPRK formally abandoned Marxism in 2009, removing Marx/Lenin statues;

            3. They have worked nationalism into their ideology by distinguishing internationalism from globalism/globalization; claiming that the former needs nationalism to work, and rejecting the latter;

            4. The DPRK has recognized Palestine over Israel since 1988;

            5. Therefore, the DPRK should be adopted by the DR as an example of a quasi-third-positionist state.

            An additional Marxisant premise is pre-emptively added to counter any potential counterargument positing that the DPRK should not be adopted by the DR because of its economic failings:

            1. The poor economic state of the DPRK has nothing to do with ideology but a combination of poor geographic location and international sanctions.

            The point of writing all this is to ensure that the DR does not accept him uncritically. The positions that Zoltanous, CT, The Fascifist and others in that clique are taking are increasingly divergent from the DR, and not in good ways.

            [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

            jesus christ, you're this much of a raging homosexual to write this whole essay just to do high school drama? faggot

            [–]PrawoJazdy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            He's a race-blind, excessively ideological CivNat who blatantly renounced ethnonationalism, spreads misinformation, deletes anything remotely critical of him (including comments drawing attention to his past statements rejecting ethnonationalism), purity spirals constantly over interpretations of whatever the hell Gentile or some other forgotten intellectual said, promotes obscure people who nobody in the West cares about like Asanuma, attacks 'wignats' routinely, and is frankly just all-round mentally ill as evidenced by the second video I posted.

            Promoting the DPRK seems particularly thickheaded, only helping our enemies in the same way that promoting Palestine only helps our enemies by allowing them to associate Islamic terrorism with the DR in the eyes of the masses. It allows them to push the usual 'Islamo-Fascism' concept that actually harms the Palestinian cause as well as us by claiming that the DR is akin to ISIS or that Palestinians want to genocide Jews. Furthermore, our enemies have long been trying to convince the masses that the USSR/PRC/DPRK are in fact "Far-Right" or "Red Fascist", etc. so that they can then sanitize their own image while wiping the mess of those regimes onto us. These quackademics like BR Myers have been working on this 'North Korea is Far-Right and ethnonationalist' narrative for decades, and these guys are simply doing their work for them.

            He brings nothing of value into the movement, spends most of his online time associating with outright Hispanics and other non-whites while attacking 'wignats' and other people he doesn't like. For example, CT is 25% Iranian; The Other Karl is 25% Amerindian, The Fascifist is part-Indian, one guy is full-blown El Salvadorian, etc.

            In fact, I will go a step further at this point and say that I do not even want this guy accepted with the caveat that he is interpreted critically. The movement would be better off to be rid of his whole clique with their pathetic revisionism and silly views about retaining a multiracial America united under the banner of 'third-position' ideology (which will amount to nothing more than an Integralist Brazil at the very best) rather than simply pushing for America's dissolution. Anything of an 'America First' or race-blind third-positionist nature is simply 'fake and gay' par excellence. It's Red-Brown alliance nonsense in an age where 'Red' are a bunch of browns, pans and trans and not working-class White males. It's trying to build bridges to 'tankie' pseudo-intellectual fools like Haz and Caleb Maupin, who are hated by both the whole Right and what they call the 'Synthetic' Left. For example, that Haz idiot recently claimed that Enver Hoxha respected Islam, a statement that is clearly the opposite of the truth: Hoxha's regime declared Albania the "world's first atheistic state", shut down all religious institutions in the 1960s, had numerous religious figures assassinated, and so forth. The peddlers of misinformation on both sides want an alliance. They're even worse than Fuentes, since Fuentes at least has an audience, some of whom later come our way.

            Now they're even further pushing the 'based-DPRK' thing by adopting Myers' tenuous claim that the DPRK were more influenced by the Japanese Empire than by Marxism. Laughable. Historical revisionism being carried out in front of my very eyes. https://odysee.com/@TheFascifist:c/The-Flame-of-Yamato:e

            [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

            You're still going? Jesus you racist libtard gossip merchants are gay

            [–]PrawoJazdy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            Finally, here's the proof of the race-blind nonsense of this clique, who basically all out themselves as CivNats. https://odysee.com/@Zolt:b/trim.8647FEA4-7B33-4B6F-BF21-958857FA4749:0 Skip to 17:00 to see your boy Zoltanous outright accuse the DR of 'race worship' (he used the term 'gay racial reductionism' to refer to this later), laughably calling it 'idolatry' and 'narcissism' and claiming it 'seems completely ridiculous to me'. Or the part-Iranian felon CT at 19:25: 'When I was a White nationalist years ago'. In Zoltanous' hilarious words from the video I linked, what a bunch of subhuman kike nigger faggots! These people are just the socialist version of America First.

            You by any chance a sympathizer with this cretinous bunch, hence why you feel compelled to call their critics 'gay' and all of this other laughably childish nonsense?

            You do, however, give away too easily that you are a Keith Woods fanboy, since I can recognize that language from a mile off. Let me guess, it's 'Cultural Capitalism' and not 'Cultural Marxism', too, right? As if to say that Gramsci and Marcuse were 'really' capitalists or something similarly nonsensical.

            If by socialism you erroneously refer as most do merely to a highly redistributive economy—obviously economic egalitarianism cannot be fused together with social inegalitarianism, since there is no obvious reason why egalitarianism should be confined to one sphere and not be allowed to seep into the other. Economic inegalitarianism + social inegalitarianism is the only serious combination that does not admit some level of degenerate reasoning. NazBol etc. is simply for faggots who cannot truly escape degeneracy and think outside of the constraints set by the dominant ideology. Too bad that young fools have obscured the path forward by laughably calling it 'racist liberalism'.

            [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            Didn't read anything you typed in any of these comments by the way libtard

            [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            I was thinking the same thing. This guy is unhinged.

            [–]nordmannenLegionnaire 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            Salos derails yet another thread. Anyway, there is a socialist tradition among modern European far right movements, but it does not require any cooperation or reconciliation with bolshevism or Marxism. Freda, like a lot of post-WW2 activists, comes from the Sessantotto and is rooted in a liberal anti-traditional ethos. In Italy I think this is stupid, the Italians continue to uphold their monarchist and fascist traditions and laws, and much of the country continues to carry norms set by fascist administrators. Freda himself is not a fascist, and "nazi-maoism" compromises several third positionist tenets for a fictional alliance we can supposedly have with Marxists. I will reiterate, we do not need confused ideologues injecting Marxism into nationalist or third positionist politics, nor do we require Marxism to embrace socialism.

            [–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            The point wasn't about beeing friendly with Bolshevism, but rather about being anti-communists for wrong reasons, which means opposing socialism. Freda is probably the most anti-liberal person alive.

            [–]nordmannenLegionnaire 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Is this really a 3p issue? Most people around here, I assume anyway, are anti-communist because they view communism as anti-white, international, and largely run and promoted by Jews. Is there an aversion to socialism from anyone other than Salos and like, 3 lolberts that got lost?

            I didn't accuse Freda of being a liberal, I accused him of being confused. I should rephrase, we do not need cold war dialectics injected into modern third positionist politics, whether it's communism or liberalism. Our values and interests are different than both, so we go our own way. No nazbols, no Pinochet LARPers, no duginists. Just fascism. Can we find some common ground here?

            [–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            For those wondering about this strange "Italian nazi-maoism" thing, I have seen a few articles about that during the last couple of years and there are/were similar small groups in other European countries as well. They try to reconcile their former beliefs or even family history with Third Position, but their main problem is that they can't get rid of the shuckles of their ideological baggage.