Were jews *forced to be rich*?

submitted by MarkimusNational Socialist from self.debatealtright

Is there any precedent for this? Were they actually banned from guilds and such? Is it just a straight up lie?

We are all familiar with the cope (there's even a meme that I can't find that shows an evil European forcing the jews to be rich against their will when they just want to farm and work hard lol), that jews were banned from being farmers or working real jobs and forced to be parasitical middlemen with endless wealth and access to kings and such. On its face it seems incredibly absurd but it's the cope that people always jump to, that Europeans banned them from honest work and forced them to resort to usury. Obviously this defies basic logic, then if you have knowledge of jews from the classical world and their religious texts you see they were always usurious middlemen which also breaks the narrative.

But still, were they banned from guilds, being able to be peasants etc? Is there actually ANYTHING that backs this cope up at all or is it just straight up jewish lies? I would like some historical examples of them being banned if they exist, and also historical examples of kings trying to give them land and work to do and them refusing. I vaguely remember the English king trying to make them work before the expulsion of 1290.

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[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Its one of the most absurd examples of historical falsehood in existence. Just one example is from 200 Years Together where Solzhenitsyn describes multiple Tsarist programs designed to get them into farming. Obviously their usury and other predatory economic practices were leading to conflict with the Russians around them so the state actually bought them farming equipment. So what did they do? Well they pawned the equipment and went right back to money lending and tavern ownership etc.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

200 years together, Solzhenitsyn goes into how the Russians tried to assimilate Jews but they were like, "nah, pushing vodka on the rubes is easier. Work the land you gave us, what are we stupid?".

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

No, they were only forbidden from owning land during Middle Ages up until 18th century (thank you enlightened thinkers for removing the barrier for which you didn't know why it was set up in the first place!).

In Judaism it says that your job should be clean and easy (to devote yourself to Yahweh more ofc), and every dirty work should be outsourced for those made to serve you, they don't see any intrinsic value in work.

Nobody forbid them from owning land in Palestine too, but they all still retorted to merchantry because it paid better and was easier.

Judaism also kinda helped, they valued education, they were forced to read 4 times a week. Combine that with Christian help of outsourcing usurious practices to them, and you see why they had enough space to up their game quite a bit.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Combine that with Christian help of outsourcing usurious practices to them

They bribed, courted, tricked and blackmailed the popes and kings to get the privilege to lend. They weren't forced into being the only lenders in town. The best historical example for this is the Jewish relationship with the Hapsburg family. E. Michael Jones has primary sources in his book Barren Metal. Long story short they secured the permission to lend to the public at 42% interest by offering the Hapsburg family only 6% interest. Even at 6% interest this eventually bankrupted the House of Hapsburg even though they used the money to set up gold and silver mines in the new world.

Judaism also kinda helped, they valued education, they were forced to read 4 times a wee

I do agree this is one of many factors in Jewish success. All groups that have valued math, verbal skills and scholasticism have a leg up in the industrial and technology era. Whites in my opinion are just as verbal and mathematical as Jews (if not more so) but we've been routed from the inside by Jews who have used their smaller population and deceptions to parasite. Another big strength slash weakness of whites is we want to push out and explore. We can often over conceptualize, over romanticize, and miss what's going on right in front of us. The modern world has lost it's frontiers where whites once triumphed and found comfort.

If I may add one more note. Whites use to do the 'in group out group' thing quite well. Now we've been sold a scheme that we are not a unique group with unique interests. Women, who prioritize materialism and conflict avoidance over truth, have been put in charge of crucial institutions in our societies. It's such a shame what has happened to us. I weap at the loss of a once proud and focused national project. I don't think we can just do a course correction to fix all the problems we have.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I don't think we can just do a course correction to fix all the problems we have.

Why not? All that would need to happen is the endless resources on social engineering to simply be cut off, instincts will soon prevail when they're not being thoroughly suppressed.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why not?

Because quite frankly I don't think we have enough people interested in forcing a course correction. *

All that would need to happen is the endless resources on social engineering to simply be cut off

How is that done though? I don't see enough human resources to force that to happen. Even if it did it would take a generation to recover from the programming. Lots of people are totally bound up in the new warped paradigms. They aren't going to let these new ways of thinking go easily. Bezmenov was unfortunately correct that once you've demoralized and broken a generation you can't just hit a switch and wake them up.

instincts will soon prevail when they're not being thoroughly suppressed.

True. I think we have truth and instinct on our side but people are kept away from the consequences of their actions so it's hard to get instinct to kick in and punish these NPC's for hating their race, importing rapists, worshiping negros etc. They are blissfully unaware of how opposed to the natural order they have become.

I don't really want 'collapse' but I think only the conditions of collapse/depression/war are strong enough to snap these brainwashed people into pushing for 'course correction' type actions. They are in a type of new religion or cult and we all know how powerful that is.

*any even slight course correction will be resisted hard by elites so I estimate you'd need 40-60% of the population hardcore on your side with the changes. There's no we we get that in our current political climate. Dissidents like us are maybe 10-20% of the total population. People that sympathize with use are maybe 25-30% of the population (maybe). The only way these numbers are going to change is with big happening that scare people even worse then the 'pandemic' or 'white terrorism' or 'muslim terrorism'.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because quite frankly I don't think we have enough people interested in forcing a course correction.

If...
Humanity survives the 4th industrial revolution, global holodomor, and jab onslaught...

Then people will be demanding answers. We need to make sure the revisionist history we were taught is abolished, and replaced by history that can be physically proven to be true.

Most of the factual history has been lost forever, but there's enough remaining to identify the criminals involved.

The private archives at the Council on Foreign Relations and various Royal Institutes are a good start.
They preserved the hidden history of their victories.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

but there's enough remaining to identify the criminals involved.

Can't wait to use it. National justice when?

[–]TiwakingTranshumanist Eugenecist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Judaism also kinda helped, they valued education, they were forced to read 4 times a week. Combine that with Christian help of outsourcing usurious practices to them, and you see why they had enough space to up their game quite a bit.

Yep. When you have a culture which prizes education and literacy, is isolated and ostracized from normal society, but isnt legally allowed to own anything, then you'll end up with a culture that values things that get you what you want. Christianity and Islam's ban of usury further solidified these values.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Isn't this mainly because usury was forbidden in Christianity?

[–]RichtoffLud 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"Were they actually banned from guilds and such?" Great LOL there, many historical facts show that this is not true. This is just an attempt to victimize the "chosen people". A good example of this lie is shown in the bible itself, when Jesus drives out all the vendors in front of the temple of prayer (all vendors were Jews)

Frederick the Great, 18th century: "(..) as soon as you get away from the frontier, the Jews become a disadvantage, they form cliques, they deal in contraband and get up to all manner of rascally tricks which are detrimental to Christian burghers and merchants, (..) it would be prudent to pay attention, so that their numbers do not increase.

Seneca (Lucius Annaeus Seneca): "The customs of that most criminal nation (Israel) have gained such strength that they have now been received in all lands. The conquered have given laws to the conquerors."

Diodorus Siculus, First century Greek historian.Observed that Jews treated other people as enemies and inferiors. “Usury” is the practice of lending money at excessive interest rates. This has for centuries caused great misery and poverty for Gentiles. It has brought strong condemnation of the Jews.

Bernardine of Feltre: “Jewish usurers bleed the poor to death and grow fat on their substance, and I who live on alms, who feed on the bread of the poor, shall I then be mute before outraged charity? Dogs bark to protect those who feed them, and I, who am feed by the poor, shall I see them robbed of what belongs to them and keep silent?”

So... there are thousands of quotes talking about the Jewish question, centuries ago. This is not something new and it didn't even start in WWII.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You see the same themes of critcism for thousands of years. Tacitus spoke of their avarice, their fanaticism and their clannishness -- well represented in your quotes as well. These for me are the three pillars of serious critique of Jewish behaviour and every single serious person who has ever observed them has touched upon one of those aspects of their character.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This has happened with multiple groups during history. Obviously it's necessary that a group wants to work or learn to have that effect.

The other one which comes straight to mind is the nonconformists in the UK. They were protestants who refused to join the Anglican Church (so Methodists, Quakers, etc) so were barred from government and going to university under the law. This meant that the middle class kids went to university on the continent, got a wider education and picked up new ideas. They then went on to become the main drivers of the industrial revolution and most families who got rich from that were of that group. Most of the people who made the big scientific discoveries of that time, such as Charles Darwin, came from those families, even if they had by then become Anglican.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

Did the Sephardic Jewish population have similar conflicts within their homelands? Seems unlikely.

This is speculation; but it's probable that this is a Khazarian "Jew" cultural legacy.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2021/04/03/the-hidden-history-of-the-incredibly-evil-khazarian-mafia/

It's also worth noting that mafias are always used to control their own populations.
The average sicilian was terrorized by the Sicilian Mafia; just like the rest.

Israeli Jews have been terrorized by their own terrorist state from day 1.
Today it's as bad as ever. They're among the most vaccinated, and will be easily among the most decimated.

David Ike identifies a "death cult" that has infiltrated the Khazarian Jewish population, and has spread to other groups through the pretext of "Zionism".

Judaism is the human shield that the Khazarian Mafia (and Zionist stooges) hide behind.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Sephardic Jews were from Spain and forced to leave Spain after 100's of years of collaboration with the Moorish occupiers of Iberia. Many false conversions occurred afterwards that began the converso crisis as Jews continued to intermarry and Judaize Christianity despite claims of conversion.

So yes they did have similar conflicts within their homelands. The Khazar theory is demonstrably fale -- see Kevin MacDonald on this issue -- and is meaningless. Israeli Jews haven't been 'terrorized' by their state. That's a laughable assertion.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

Israeli Jews haven't been 'terrorized' by their state. That's a laughable assertion.

Do you believe 6 million Jews were killed in concentration camps?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you believe 6 million Jews were killed in concentration camps?

Nope. What's your point though?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

Do you believe 6 million Jews were killed in concentration camps?

You mean in death camps? Yes, I do. What's your point? Why do you even ask this question?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

Bruh moment

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I thought I made this clear already. I honestly don't care how many of them died. None of that changes anything about my views.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

They for sure would have deserved it but it didn't happen

[–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Can I ask what exactly happened/did you learn that makes you hate jews that fanatically?

I know about the JQ and agree on it a lot and am aware of their influence and involvement in our replacement. Out of all the users on this sub, you are the one who hates them with the most intensity.

Disregarding the didn't happen point, explain why you believe 6 million people including thousands of children and infants, would have deserved to be suffocated, shot or worked to death?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can I ask what exactly happened/did you learn that makes you hate jews that fanatically?

Why do they hate literally the entire world so fanatically to actually do the things they pretend have happened to them? I'm the hateful one for pointing out what they've actually done and they're the innocent victims for actually genociding millions of people? Ok bud😂👍

Disregarding the didn't happen point, explain why you believe 6 million people including thousands of children and infants, would have deserved to be suffocated, shot or worked to death?

For the many times over that number that they've done it to before, that was actually real. The obsession jews have with being punished by death are precisely thought up because the jews know they deserve it for what they've done to countless others before.

I wouldn't advocate to genocide them, I simply point out it's what they've done to many others which is why they pretend it happened to them. It's a natural psychological reaction all guilty people have, the desire to be punished for their crimes.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There definitely are inconsistencies in the narrative. If it was such a big deal then why do Churchill and de Gaulle hardly mention it in their post-war memoirs?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

What's your point?

I'm trying to determine if you're speaking from a well-informed position.

Newspapers from before WW2 even started.

SIX MILLION JEWS 1915 1938 FULL HD

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I'm not literalotherkin. I'm just flabbergasted by the question. For me it doesn't matter. The Nazis could have killed 12 million of them for all I care, I don't give a shit. I don't care about their suffering.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I'm just flabbergasted by the question. For me it doesn't matter.

This is a comment that could easily come from a fanatic.

The truth always matters.

You make a similar argument as a communist who claims there's no such thing at truth.

could have killed 12 million of them for all I care, I don't give a shit. I don't care about their suffering.

Again..

You make a similar argument as a communist who claims there's no such thing at truth.

Similar to the anti Trump deranged.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

The truth always matters.

No, it doesn't. The only thing that matters is power.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

The truth always matters.

No, it doesn't. The only thing that matters is power.

That's what the commies say.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Yes, we should be more like communists instead of conservatives.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think the 6 million figure is total killed, not just camps. In places like the Ukraine they just dug a pit and shot them. And it was mostly locals doing it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it's ironic the population of israel grew by 6 million

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Sephardic Jews were from Spain and forced to leave Spain after 100's of years of collaboration with the Moorish occupiers of Iberia.

What are Jews who lived in Morocco, and never in Spain called?

What is the name for Jews who are the descendants of the Israelites, and have since lived in Ethiopia/Eastern Africa?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know the exact answers to the specific questions you ask but I look at history and see the exact same criticism I have of Jews in the writings of great men like Christ, Tacitus, Seneca and Roman emperors long before the Ashkenazi even existed. I mean you can look at the story of Joseph in the Bible and his actions in Egypt and what exactly is the difference between his actions and the Rothschild family?

This is how they've behaved for thousands of years and it didn't suddenly start when some Turkic people converted to Judaism in the 9th century. It's a false explanation and actually I think a self-serving one given a Communist Jew Koestler himself was the first major proponent of the idea. It lets them off the hook.

That's what I find so absurd about the whole Khazar theory given that this negative anti-social and destructive behaviour predates the beginning of the Khazar empire by over a thousand years.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

koestler was right

[–]88BitSorelianism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

mizrahi jews

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

mizrahi jews

Very cool. Good to know. Thanks

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure made life easier.