Zelensky: Ukraine to meet with Russia for peace talks

submitted by EthnocratArcheofuturist from self.debatealtright

Looks like Zelensky knows his situation is hopeless. Putin is now going to dictate his demands and Ukraine will only be able to accept them.

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https://www.axios.com/ukraine-russian-invasion-talks-bedd8c3a-efc7-4549-92fe-b360e0655b5d.html

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[–]LGBTQIAIDSAnally Injected Death Sentence 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Zelensky needs to rot in a Siberian gulag (actually, I'd love it if he was charged for being the 'neo-Nazi' and 'drug addict' that Putin accuses him of being—the Jewish pro-EU, pro-NATO liberal neo-Nazi drug addict comedian). His disgusting refusal to vacate power, instead forcing civilians to fight his already lost war while his army dissolves, instrumentally resorting to pseudo-nationalist rhetoric because no one wants to die for liberalism, while he hides in a bunker somewhere so that he can't be taken out by a simple airstrike, only means that more White blood will be spilt for his self-preservation and egoism.

Meanwhile, every normie low-IQ shithead and his dog is hilariously calling him 'brave', 'patriotic', etc.

Every single Ukrainian who dies for the yehud and his regime only brings shame to his people and race. When Reddit, Western mass media, Israel, the EU, NATO and America are all on the same page: whether 'Left-wing' or 'Right-wing', 'Liberal' or 'Conservative', 'Democrat' or 'Republican', the only message that should be taken from it is: 'This is fake and gay'. Putin can't be that J-controlled if the System is opposing him as hard as they are right now.

Keith Woods literally claims that since 2017-18 Putin has become more ethnonationalistic and that the constitution was amended to claim that the russkiye (ethnic Russians) are now the 'state-building peoples of Russia', putting them above the rossiyane (Russian citizens of any race). At the same time, some hate laws were weakened: there are only fines rather than harsher punishments for this offence. If all this is true, it suggests that Putin has become something of a bad goy, explaining why the West keep provoking Russia by putting bases and military parades near their borders.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The current prime minister of russia is jewish, the fact that he's the 2nd most powerful men in the country is something to be wary of.

[–]grassfed 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

u/jet199 will object this

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

and his dog

Stop insulting dogs. Dogs are far more valuable and noble than shitlibs.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

forcing civilians to fight his already lost war

Funny, you are describing Putin and his fellow Russians he sent to die now.

[–]raven9 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Every media article talks about Russia's inability to take control of a major population center yet Putin said his objective was to demilitarize not occupy civilian cities.

[–]arainynightinskyrim 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Finally.

[–]grassfed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Cuck

[–]arainynightinskyrim 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Oy vey, do not end the war goy, we want more dead whites.

[–]grassfed 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Ukraine is 90% jewish nosecel

[–]arainynightinskyrim 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You do not make any sense Schlomo.

[–]grassfed 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Ok mulatto

[–]arainynightinskyrim 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Schlomo you're becoming more ridiculous with every comment.

[–]grassfed 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Shekelstein

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Go hug (((zelensky)))

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I predicted this two or three days ago, but I was naively optimistic about it.

Zelensky's initial strategy was to waste time until he got some support from the west, I'd assume. That clearly isn't happening, no meaningful help is on its way, but they did say they won't give an inch of their territory. It's clear as day that Russia is bluffing a bit and obviously wants peace more than Ukraine does. NATO hawks don't seem to let go the idea of Ukraine joining NATO as well.

How wise it would be of Mr. Zelensky to join such useless allies, you decide. It will take VERY long time and MANY human lives til these sanctions take effect, if they take any effect at all.

Both sides need to take bit of an L for the greater good, but that doesn't seem to be on the table, sanctions aren't just going back, so if Ukraine doesn't commit to neutrality and gives Donbass area (quite unlikely), ceasefire doesn't seem feasible.

[–]NeoRail 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

How wise it would be of Mr. Zelensky to join such useless allies, you decide. It will take VERY long time and MANY human lives til these sanctions take effect, if they take any effect at all.

It's okay because these people's goal is not at all the geostrategic security of Ukraine, it's the advancement of liberal globalism.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's clear as day that Russia is bluffing a bit and obviously wants peace more than Ukraine does.

Who do you say that?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

You mean why?

If Zelensky needed or wanted peace, he'd get it ASAP, he wouldn't drag it out like in this case. Russians are the ones who forced negotiations by sending their delegation in Minsk and giving Ukrainians ultimatum to show up in certain amount of time, and Ukrainian messaging heavily implies negotiations will flop.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm mostly talking about the bluffing part. How is Russia bluffing? They've literally invaded Ukraine.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh, firstly, he's bluffing with nuclear weapons talk, secondly they sent their delegations to Minsk and said if they don't show up "what can we do, it's their choice" while giving very unusual conditions, yet they accepted Pripyat negotiations regardless. They want to resolve this peacefully despite all the tough talk. But then again, we'll see what negotiations will bring, Zelensky may see through this bluff and won't accept what comes out of negotiations.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

he's bluffing with nuclear weapons talk

I'm actually not so sure about that.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Expectations are low. Israel/Palestine hold the same peace talks, yet it's 78 years of war.

Anything less than Putin recognizing Ukraine's existence will lead to the same break down.

Ukraine also has the benefit of waging violent insurgency, it will be a repeat of the Soviet/Afghan occupation, but 1000x worse.

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Anything less than Putin recognizing Ukraine's existence will lead to the same break down.

This isn't the 90s. It should be obvious even to you that it's impossible to have peace talks with an entity you do not recognise.

Ukraine also has the benefit of waging violent insurgency, it will be a repeat of the Soviet/Afghan occupation, but 1000x worse.

Pure delusion.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Russia hasn't been able to plug the Polish border, where thousands of guns and rockets are flowing through right now. They'll find their way into civilian arms very soon.

But whatever, I don't think you care about European lives. Millions of people are going to lose their lives because some Soviet retard couldn't let go of history.

[–]NeoRail 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

You are a very rash and irrational thinker. Millions of people? Really? Do you have any idea what kind of warfare that would imply? Thus far the invasion has been conducted in a way intended to minimise civilian casualties and damage to infrastructure. This is not accidental.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Ukrainians are never going to accept being occupied, let alone, Russia's own economy could collapse by the Ruble becoming increasingly useless.

So what's the end game? Start attacking civilians to suppress them, or Russians starving in mass from economic failure?

Edit: And I haven't mentioned the possibility of Putin invading more countries.

[–]NeoRail 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

You are getting way ahead of yourself. How about we wait and see what the Ukrainians actually do and what effects the sanctions actually have?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Or why doesn't Russia just withdraw and salvage whatever credibility they have left?

You're committing the fallacy they have any right to be there. Ukrainians are resisting, global nations have severed ties, but Putin still gives his armies orders to attack.

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Or why doesn't Russia just withdraw and salvage whatever credibility they have left?

That would be the most politically counterproductive move imaginable.

You're committing the fallacy they have any right to be there. Ukrainians are resisting, global nations have severed ties, but Putin still gives his armies orders to attack.

All of this could have been avoided if the US had not pursued a policy of NATO expansion.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

That would be the most politically counterproductive move imaginable.

No country will recognize the occupation.

I honestly think he should do it, before the protests in his own country reach critical mass. Remember Nicolae Ceaușescu?

All of this could have been avoided if the US had not pursued a policy of NATO expansion.

Ukraine is not the USA. Maybe Putin should direct his anger at Biden instead?

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

No country will recognize the occupation.

Irrelevant.

I honestly think he should do it, before the protests in his own country reach critical mass. Remember Nicolae Ceaușescu?

You are delusional.

Ukraine is not the USA. Maybe Putin should direct his anger at Biden instead?

So should I take it that you think Russia should have invaded the US instead?

[–]raven9 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

That is because Israel never wanted peace with the Palestinians while any Palestinians continue to live in the lands of Palestine. Putin just wants NATO backed military elements off the Russian border.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So he thought attacking a non-NATO country (Ukraine) and holding them for ransom was the way to do it?

And Putin going on the offensive about how much he misses the former Soviet/Russian Empires only serves to antagonize countries that wish to stay independent.

Now there's no getting out of this mess.

[–]raven9 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

No, he understands that since the soviet union collapsed, those newly independant countries were targetted by covert elements of the US based, globalist neo-liberal regime that installed puppet governments in those naively independant countries and weaponized them against Russia and it has continued in the same vein into Ukraine. So it's not about what he thinks. He KNOWS he had no choice. Ukraine was already weaponized and turned into a tool of NATO. Putin Either put a stop to it now or face the possible destruction of Russia tommorow. You should listen carefully to his speech.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/1K29uD7bd95Q/

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Russia does the exact same thing. Did the Soviets not install their own client states throughout the Cold War? Is Russia allying up with Syria is because they let them use their naval ports or set up army bases abroad?

Again, I was always opposed to NATO expansionism but Putin chimping out and literally attacking a non-NATO country spelled disaster.

. Putin Either put a stop to it now or face the possible destruction of Russia tommorow.

This is paranoia. Especially when the West was already content with buying gas and oil from Russia and even to this day, they haven't banned all trade with them yet.

[–]raven9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The cold war was done 30 years ago. Whatever happened during that period is irrelevent. Does it matter today that Hitler invaded France? Stop buying into the propaganda. Our western leaders especially here in the US are pathological liars and psychopaths. We know that. We cant believe a word they say about anything. We know they lied about 911. We know they lied about Iraq. We know they funded and armed terrorists to invade Syria and Libya. We know they do not care about the lives and families they destroyed both at home and in those countries. We know they have been lying about covid and the vaccines. So I damn sure know they are some of the most despicable and nasty people on earth so when Putin says that is the behaviour the Russians have been on the receiving end of when they tried to enter talks with them I absolutely believe him.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The Cold War may be over, but not all the Men & Women who played a part in it are dead. Henry Kissinger ring a bell? He's still alive.

Similarly, I would also apply that to the Russian side. Like for god sake, Putin is an actual KGB agent.

We know they have been lying about covid and the vaccines.

Then it makes even less sense to trust Putin, since he's shown to be even more scared of the virus. Have you seen how far he sits away from anyone? Or that he asked Macron to take a PCR test for him.

[–]raven9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't say they lied about the virus existance. I meant they have been lying about what it is and where it came from.

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ukraine also has the benefit of waging violent insurgency, it will be a repeat of the Soviet/Afghan occupation, but 1000x worse.

Ukrainians are not Afghans. Afghans are uniquely predisposed to waging insurgency and civil war. It's almost a national past time or cultural tradition with them, plus they are extremely strict Sunni Muslims, so the concept of Jihad and martyrdom are part of their religion, whereas Ukrainians are Christians, or atheists.

No doubt the neocons will do their best to stoke an insurgency, but I dont see Ukrainians who lived under Soviet rule for nearly a century doing it for long. It's also a hundred times easier to supress an insurgency when you speak the same language as the locals, look like them, are intimately familiar with them and their country, and have large numbers of them sympathetic to you, as is the case here.

Glad your true neocon colors are finally coming to light though after months of you putting on this bizarre charade.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ukrainians are not Afghans. Afghans are uniquely predisposed to waging insurgency and civil war. It's almost a national past time or cultural tradition with them, plus they are extremely strict Sunni Muslims, so the concept of Jihad and martyrdom are part of their religion, whereas Ukrainians are Christians, or atheists.

The Irish didn't accept British rule or recognition until 1998. And they were both incredibly similar to each other.

I re-watched Putin's speech, and he was dead serious about "denazifying" and "demilitarizing" Ukraine. In context, he looks no different than BLM or other Liberals who want to wipe out white people by using pseudoscience.

Interestingly enough, I've also seen a lot of Russians online spout the same justification. So sadly, he has brainwashed his own people into getting themselves killed over nothing.

No doubt the neocons will do their best to stoke an insurgency, but I dont see Ukrainians who lived under Soviet rule for nearly a century doing it for long. It's also a hundred times easier to supress an insurgency when you speak the same language as the locals, look like them, are intimately familiar with them and their country, and have large numbers of them sympathetic to you, as is the case here. Glad your true neocon colors are finally coming to light though after months of you putting on this bizarre charade.

Well time is running our for Putin, since he doesn't have an unlimited bank account to fund these wars. The Soviet Union was much bigger, and yet holding onto Afghanistan still collapsed them.

I would never personally go to war with Russia unless they attacked my own country. So don't compare me to Neocons, I'm not a warhawk. But I will defend myself if Putin wants to "denazify" the world.

[–]shilldetector 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Just drop the disingenuous charade. Nobody believes it and you actually lose credibility by doing it. You are kind of the subs running joke and people saw you one day flip a switch and go from neocon to nazi.

You dont hate Putin because he wants to “denazify” the world. You hate him because he represents opposition to the neoliberal world order.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Putin IS the neoliberal world order.

Why do you think the West is still giving him money or not completely banned from the Olympics?

Apartheid South Africa & Rhodesia are examples of what real sanctions and total isolation looks like. And you do remember that the USSR/Russia wanted to destroy both right?