DAR is now permanently off s/all

submitted by send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist from self.debatealtright

18 days ago /u/magnora7 took us off s/all again. His claim is that moderators are not removing violent comments fast enough. I disputed this but I don't think it's going to change his mind. It's looking like saidit is going to continue to restrict our access to potential new users regardless of the hoops we jump through or rules we follow. Saidit user base is already very small and now we are cut off from that base as well. This means DAR will likely stagnate and die. Does anybody have suggestions? Alternative sites?

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[–]NeoRail 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

I don't see this as a problem. The core posters are just the same two dozen guys anyway. If anything, the sub needs higher quality content rather than more users.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Yeah the more activity there is the more diluted the message gets tbh. Look at how shilled 4/pol/ is compared to say 16ch. Hell even the hobby boards on cuckchan are a lot better than quarter pol.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I don't think I have heard of 16chan before. I know 8chan had much slower political boards, both left and right, that were of far higher quality.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Check out /pol/ and /fascist/ on 16chan.xyz it has the same quality and vibe as 8ch did back in the day. Very slow but far more organic than 4

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I will look into it when I have the time. Apparently, 8chan is also back in some form, which I was not aware of. I don't know anything about this new 8chan though. 4chan also has some mostly good boards, but the politics one is garbage for discussion - it's only suited for asking questions if you need anything specific answered or sourced.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Apparently, 8chan is also back in some form, which I was not aware of.

I wouldn't touch it, 8kun is ran by a total fed and infested with Qoomers

4chan also has some mostly good boards, but the politics one is garbage for discussion

Yeah the smaller hobby ones are decent but /pol/ has been ruined by conservative shills. /biz/ and /k/ have been garbage too lately.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I wouldn't touch it, 8kun is ran by a total fed and infested with Qoomers

I see.

Yeah the smaller hobby ones are decent but /pol/ has been ruined by conservative shills. /biz/ and /k/ have been garbage too lately.

/pol/ has all sorts of major problems even beyond the conservative issue. I don't know anything about /biz/ or /k/ though.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

/pol/ has made me realize dead internet theory is 110% real

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Is this the view that the glory days of a free internet are behind us?

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No it's that the majority of interactions on the internet are artificial, with most users being literal bots. It's the idea that the internet today is a ghost town.

https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php?threads/dead-internet-theory-most-of-the-internet-is-fake.3011/

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

His claim is that moderators are not removing violent comments fast enough.

The comments here are ridiculously tame considering the circumstances lmao

This means DAR will likely stagnate and die. Does anybody have suggestions? Alternative sites?

Communities.win seems to be most active reddit derivative and there's a lot more far right subs there than here. There's also Gab groups but I don't like the ui for that too much.

[–]MythOfPrivilege 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I've been active over at .win. It's not not as hopping as Reddit was, but I can tell that it's picking up. I used to go a whole day with maybe one or two comment responses. Now I get a few every hour.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Some of the threads are a bit weird honestly I wonder if there's automated shilling like on /pol/

[–]MythOfPrivilege 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know. I will say that I'm a little leery of consumeproduct. A few days ago it switched to non-stop happy merchant memes. That doesn't bother me, I love a good chosen joke, but it felt sudden and artificial. Maybe Dead Internet Theory is true and everything really is fake and gay.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I know the mods there and I doubt they're involved but I also wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these posts are made by AIs.

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

DAR was already off of /all for many months and in my absence a few months ago, a DAR mod broke the saidit moderator rules by re-adding the sub to /all. That was the main concern. If a sub has been taken off of /all by an admin, a mod cannot take it upon themselves to re-add the sub. This is clearly stated in the saidit moderator rules and it has been that way for a long time.

https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/w6s/saidit_rules_for_moderators/

[–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Why is DAR off of /all? I have never seen any illegal content here.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Cmon bro, chill a little. Idk why you took us off of /s/all in the first place. It's not like our sub is causing trouble in any meaningful way.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

a DAR mod broke the saidit moderator rules by re-adding the sub to /all.

False, TAM did it after fred_red_beans quit.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well that instance aside, it happened again yesterday from a DAR mod

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I assume it was an accident and that when you abandoned your own site you trusted the people you left it to to make good decisions. It seemed impossible to think an admin who claimed to love 'free speech' and goes on internet shows talking about central banking and Illuminati subversion would want to quietly remove one of it's largest truth seeking boards from it's own site.

[–]Richard_Parker 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Hey everybody,

I've tried to contribute when feasible..I do.miss the old debate the alt right subreddit. I do hope we can find a good forum. Just not stormdrain...

[–]shilldetector 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I thought this sub was already off s/all. Either way if someone is posting shit like that, regardless of whether they were joking or what the context was, it needs to be taken down immediately and the poster publicly given a warning that they will be banned, or banned outright depending on how stupid the comment was. That is just the reality of things. The thing to do isnt to deny it. Acknowledge it, declare those types of things wont be tolerated, thank Magnora for bringing it to light, and then warn everyone to be on the lookout.

This goes regardless of what site your on. A sub like this has to have heavy moderation or it can do more harm than good. There will always be trolls who mean you harm. I would also think twice about letting known trolls like Salos operate on this sub as that can also lead to trouble. I mean that's why they are here. Thankfully shalomeveryone and other Jewish trolls like Jewrybtfo arent on this sub, and if they ever show up id recommend banning them in a heartbeat if they do anything remotely sus.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

One of TAM's last actions as admin was to let us back on /all (and for that we are forever grateful). It lasted quite a few months before magnora noticed. The comments weren't calls to violence, nor were they remotely legally actionable. They discussed violence insofar as they were discussing the war. But that's really neither here nor there. At the heart of the matter, magnora doesn't like us. Never has, never will. He sees us as a liability. Our commitment to the pursuit of truth and justice paints a giant target on the site. It comes with the territory. Nobody said this was gonna be easy.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Lol. You're assuming /u/magnora7 is operating in good faith.

The thing to do isnt to deny it. Acknowledge it, declare those types of things wont be tolerated, thank Magnora for bringing it to light, and then warn everyone to be on the lookout.

We've already done that. DAR is more heavily moderated then any other sub on this site. /u/magnora7 was just fishing for another reason to get us off s/all when he noticed that in his absence TAM allowed us back on. The bottom line is that /u/magnora7 want's corporate investment and normie growth on the site. Which means he must scrub 'anti semitic' and 'evil white nationalist' content off the site. /u/magnora7 is not operating in good faith and if you believe he is you are naive or compromised.

[–]shilldetector 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ok. Yeah maybe it is time to find a new home. My point was that in order to talk about these issues you need to be squeaky clean at all times or you do more harm than good, and potentially bring a shitstorm down on you because of Jewish power and antipathy towards any scrutiny or criticism. But realistically thats going to happen no matter how well behaved you are.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But realistically thats going to happen no matter how well behaved you are.

Exactly. If I'm a guest on another sub I'm very clean in how I present things. However, the bad faith mods and admin on other sites are totally aware of right wing subversion because they are subversive themselves. It doesn't matter how closely they follow the rules. They find a reason to ban you.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

This is very bad news. A censorship event like this is sure to ruin a website faster than two shakes of a lamb's tail.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I just heard about this last night, that's some bullshit. I like reading y'alls sub. Off s/all it's hard to track anything. Nobody will ever see you unless they mean to.

Sorry guys.

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    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

    getting this error with my untouched account

    Edit: Was successfully able to create a sub, you have to use this link https://scored.co/create with a sufficiently aged account. I have a year old account with 0 karma and it worked. If none of you have an aged account I can create the sub for you guys and add you as moderators then remove myself.

    u/send_nasty_stuff

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      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      I seem to remember someone months ago claiming that general users couldn't create their own communities.

      When communities.win started I tried to make a DAR sub but couldn't. The fact that regular users can't create new communities shows you that the site is just a big distraction. They need a place for right wingers to go on the internet that are safe from subjects they deem unfit for goyim ears. Communities.win smells like controlled op to me. Intentionally or not, /u/magnora7 is creating the same 'safe' for (((investors))) space here on saidit.

      I suppose the easiest way around this is just to post in an inactive community like https://communities.win/c/fascism. The only problems are that none of us would have moderator privileges. And thus that we can't change the community name or sidebar.

      My suspicion is if we all started collectively posting on any sub there we'd eventually just get banned individually. c/fascism is probably only allow on there to provide the illusion of debate.

      I suspect that a person first has to buy a .win web domain and then install whatever software is required in there.

      If this is true why are there no guides on the site on how to do it?

      [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      There are subs for NS that seem pretty decent and untouched by moderation, but probably just less active since most of the userbase would be reddit cuckservatives. Passes the litmus test for whether it's gonna be kiked content wise imo. Data collection wise idk I have no idea who funds the site or did the recent makeover. I hit up this one consumeproduct mod I knew from reddit to see how to do it I'll let you guys know what he says.

      Edit: Front page comment threads are all pretty based and no censorship I think it's probably better than here

      [–]LGBTQIAIDSAnally Injected Death Sentence 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Some of the very same communities that were banned from Reddit around or before the same time as this one are doing fine there, though.

      https://consumeproduct.win seems very active. However, that was also a Ruqqus guild which reached over 5000+ members, and since I can't find (if even possible) the member count of a community, it's difficult to determine whether they're prospering greater than before.

      https://kotakuinaction2.win/ also seems fine. That group only had a small Ruqqus presence (inactive guild of 297 members when I last checked) and never moved en masse to Saidit. Both of their Saidit subs are inactive. So I suppose that community can't really be compared to anything but https://reddit.com/r/kotakuinaction2, which has been set to private.

      It does appear that not all communities are separate domains. For example, IP2Always.win apparently used to work, but now that community only can only be reached by https://communities.win/c/IP2Always. c/IP2Always is on the 'communities.win' domain rather than on their own domain.

      c/IP2Always is of course related to the private subsaidit that mysteriously 'had' to be banned. So if they were too 'toxic' or whatever for Saidit's host and yet they are doing fine on .win along with these other communities, I'm not seeing why we wouldn't do the same if we were actually able to get on there.

      As an aside, these Trumptards complaining about 'Nazis' being everywhere is also hilarious, and somehow a thread on that specific topic reached 432 comments as of writing this:

      https://communities.win/c/AskWin/p/15HIOivqtS/why-are-so-many-communities-full/c

      [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      c/IP2Always is of course related to the private subsaidit that mysteriously 'had' to be banned.

      Explain?

      As an aside, these Trumptards complaining about 'Nazis' being everywhere is also hilarious, and somehow a thread on that specific topic reached 432 comments as of writing this:

      https://communities.win/c/AskWin/p/15HIOivqtS/why-are-so-many-communities-full/c

      This is hilarious I can hear the fucking squeaking noise. Looks like a great place

      [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Looks like the admin doesn't like anti semitism and wants to have a separation between political and non political subs

      https://communities.win/c/AskWin/p/142B5blfq4/x/c/4OUhvp5VqZn

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      That looks like a user that was posting content that didn't fit a particular sub. As an admin I would have supported the mod decision to ban him.

      [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Fair enough

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      I just messaged the admin over there asking for clarification so we'll see if I get a response.

      [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      From what C said in another thread, he just wants to keep the default subs normie friendly and apolitical. And that any particular ideology should be promoted within their respective communities. I think going to either extreme would stifle growth, he'd have a better time allowing all viewpoints but restricting the intensity based on context. Like there's no reason that c/funny couldn't have implicitly racist or anti-semitic jokes, that kind of stuff was mainstream until very recently. His assumption of what apolitical means is inherently political, and his assumption that divisive content stifles growth among normies is completely wrong based on what I've seen on normie social media. If the kikes didn't take over tik tok moderation the zoomers wouldn't be so gay.

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      If the kikes didn't take over tik tok moderation the zoomers wouldn't be so gay.

      Very true.

      [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      /u/send_nasty_stuff because I don't think edit tags work

      [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      when he removed comments by Ethnocrat

      Huh? When was that?

      [–]nordmannenLegionnaire 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

      If someone could establish a communities sub and all the community here went there, I'd be out of this site in a heartbeat. I'm tired of the boomer conspiracies and bots.

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      We're looking into it.

      [–]nordmannenLegionnaire 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Thanks, king. I've been around DAR for a while. While I wish I could post more or help out with issues like this, I like this community a lot and foresee a bright future for it. You and the other mods have been good stewards, and deserve happy lives.

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      While I wish I could post more or help out with issues like this,

      No worries. Just drop in when you can. We appreciate your comments and submissions when you do.

      I like this community a lot and foresee a bright future for it. You and the other mods have been good stewards, and deserve happy lives.

      Thanks man. That means a lot coming from a quality contributor like yourself. I really do appreciate it. Here's the thread on the new site.

      https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/9467/communitieswincdebatealtright_is_now_established/

      [–]nordmannenLegionnaire 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      o7 thanks

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      "Mods are not removing violent comments fast enough"

      Meanwhile, the front page: https://saidit.net/s/memes/comments/9404/some_people_just_need_a_hug/ (archive)

      This would never fly on our sub. And unlike the comments magnora removed, this could actually be legally actionable.

      [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

      Discord groups?

      Anatoly Karlin has an awesome discord group: Powerful takes and an active community.

      Maybe we can form a quiet discord group with little publicity?

      https://discord.com/channels/916107743822217237/945006882035212288

      [–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Discord is extremely bad for private communication or political discussion.

      [–]SamiAlHayyidGrand Mufti Imam Sheikh Professor Al Hadji Dr. Sami al-Hayyid 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I seem to remember that an entire group were practically all doxxed on Discord. Probably 50 or more people.

      I also remember someone claiming that a private group with only four people in it was also banned. Since only those four had access to the group, Discord admins must have the ability to look even inside private groups as well.

      However, I know that Joel Davis has had a very large Discord group going for a long time. So I'm not really sure what it is that gets Discord admins themselves doxxing people and or banning groups.

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Even it being an antifa honeypot aside, group chats just tend to devolve into shitposting garbage, they're quite stagnating to an individual.

      [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You make a good point. There is a tendency for low effort communication these days and chatrooms are even more vulnerable to that problem.

      [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Depends on the size like a small intimate gc is always pretty comfy if everyone in is decent

      [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It seems to only be good as an autist dating app

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

      Maybe we can form a quiet discord group with little publicity?

      DAR members already have multiple 'quiet' spaces to converse. This isn't about being a private club where a small group of internet friends chat. DAR has always been about open debate and welcoming liberals, conservatives, communists, liberterians, etc. to debate against alt right platform ideas publicly. Our long term goal is a community as large if not larger than r/the_donald pre reddit ban. Without restriction from reddit I have no doubt we would have kept right on growing because our ideas resonate with many people. It's only when our ideas are presented by bad faith actors that people are turned off to racialism, nationalism or counter semitism. DAR is a unique collection of good faith experienced debaters that can hold their own and present dissident positions in a fair, fact based, positive way to normies. That's what scares powerful people, and that's why we are constantly under attack.

      [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      DAR has always been about open debate and welcoming liberals, conservatives, communists, liberterians, etc. to debate against alt right platform ideas publicly

      This was finished when we got quarantined on reddit tbh. After it we got some actual debate but 99% bad faith as opposed to 95% before. On saidit there are only trolls, there's not even that 1% good faith left.

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      It's a shame but I think if we were on a new platform we might again have access to good faith debaters. We certainly won't find anymore of them being off s/all.

      [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I do not think there are any good platforms that are suited for DAR as it was originally intended. As you said, it was meant to be a public debate platform where people of every political persuasion could go and talk. This worked well on 2016 Reddit, but today online platforms have a clear political character. Mainstream platforms like Reddit uphold a strict liberalism and purge all dissent, and anti-liberal groups hold their discussions on alt tech platforms. There is no space for DAR in this. Personally, I do not see any benefit in being listed on s/all anyway, because the vast majority of users on this website are either TERFs or conspiracy theorists.

      [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      DAR is a unique collection of good faith experienced debaters that can hold their own and present dissident positions in a fair, fact based, positive way to normies

      And as such we need to have a bulletproof rendezvous, one to emigrate onto a better trafficked forum than saidit.

      [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      I guess Gab might be a good alternative. It has several million users and I think you can form GAB groups. At the very least, we can have an ecosystem with each of our own Gab accounts (like a twitter space). Roosh V for example gets a lot of interaction. The people on GAB are largely Trump conservatives. They're adjacent to DAR views and can be easily converted. Its much more productive to try to convert them than to court leftists and cuckservatives.

      [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      and I think you can form GAB groups

      I don't know much about GAB. Is there any part of the site that looks like saidit or reddit with up and down voting?

      [–]shilldetector 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Is upvoting and downvoting that important? I never really understood the appeal of it. Getting rid of downvoting here certainly seems to be an improvement over reddit.

      [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      It seems like a blend of fb and twitter to me. The groups are like old school rw fb groups pretty comfy

      [–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      At this point all this sub really is, is a like minded online group. As Markimus said the days of engaging shitlibs in honest debate are long gone, if they ever even existed.

      [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I don't think there's anything wrong with that honestly, gives a little morale boost. What people should eventually establish is small cells of like minded individuals irl. Nothing big, just a group of 2-5 people of the same worldview that gathers together and anything further is up to you.

      [–]MythOfPrivilege 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      This morning I was reading about the various fights that the right lost all through the 60s. Even back then honest debate was impossible.