How is going the Russian debate in your country?

submitted by Rakean93Identitarian socialist from self.debatealtright

In italy last two weeks we got on the main channels interviews with Lavrov and Vladimir Solovyev (Solovyev two times. I think Solovyev won the debate, but that's another matter).

I don't really watch tv actually but it seems to me that while the news are still pro-ucraine, most of the political shows now are split 50/50 between the pro war party and the pro peace party. Since the peace party basically claims that we should stop giving weapons to Ukraine and just let the russians take the donbass and get a neutral Ukraine, the peace party is basically the pro-Russia party. Also, basically every pool shows that the absolute majority of italians are against the idea of sending weapons to Ukraine.

It seems to me that the feeling about the war is changing, it is also happening elsewhere?

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[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Nothing but anti-Russian propaganda here in Flanders.

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

In the US, the entire mainstream media has gone full blown neocon with the only exception being Tucker Carlson, who some mainstream media figures have actually called on to be arrested and tried with treason for mildly opposing the anti Russian neocon position.

In terms of what ordinary people's views have been, I've seen a surprising number of normies also reject the neocon position and worry about starting ww3. This has only increased since Biden and the Democrats have called for 40 billion more to arm Ukraine, so the tide might be turning a little despite the non stop propaganda.

There's no way to accurately gauge real widespread sentiment though, since the Neocons/Neoliberals control pretty much all means of mass communication in America.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I've seen a surprising number of normies also reject the neocon position and worry about starting ww3.

This an age thing? Or maybe geographic I'm on the east coast. Everyone ik is unquestioningly pro Ukraine other than those who were radicalized to begin with. Idk any normies who are even slightly questioning of it.

[–]LGBTQIAIDSAnally Injected Death Sentence 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't watch the retard box either, so I'm going by what the internet says.

The only vaguely 'Right-wing' media channel here are totally philosemitic, pro-Zelensky losers who are siding with dumbocrazy and liberalism against 'fascism'. 'Putin is a fascTypical example of pseudo-Rightists shooting themselves in the foot by conceding that the Left-wing narrative is essentially 'correct'. It would be 100% pro-Jewkraine here as far as media go.

Other than that, it seems to have died off thankfully and already. People would be 100% pro-Ukraine if forced to make a choice but they just don't care enough about it to make it a campaign issue. I don't think they really care about it enough to want to send weapons or anything, though the government is still doing so. I'm not sure if Covid is beginning to fill the void again. However, most of the small parties are essentially libertarians, mostly just taking the 'muh freedumb' stance and making campaigning about all things Covid and downplaying everything else.

There's a lot of negative campaigning going on with these small parties attacking all of the major ones rather than aligning themselves with one against another, and people seem to understand slightly more that the major parties need to go (but nothing will change, because the mainstream Left party looks as though it will win a slight majority without even needing to enter a coalition). And while I don't like these small government libertarians either, they're obviously better than the 'progressive' lunatics that dominate the system; actually, almost anyone is and one can't really be picky about who replaces them. Anyone anti-mandatory Covid response (anti-mask-mandate, anti-vax-mandate, whatever) and anti-woke is still a clear improvement. The icing on the cake is that they make the mainstream voters furious because they're always erroneously framed as 'Far-Right' in the mainstream. That for me is a clear benefit in itself.

Actual 'Far-Right' parties don't exist here (and would probably be denied registration to run in elections even if they hypothetically received enough support). There's a whole bunch of new anti-Right laws lately. Recently, they've been going nuts about trying to ban the swastika, which is complicated by the fact that there are plenty of non-Nazi swastikas around and that the average dipshit probably can't even tell the difference between them. I guess they'll just reason that 'White person + swastika = bad' and ignore it if a bunch of 'diversity' is around.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

It's anti-Russia stuff but with delusions, they talk about Ukrainians as if they're the SS on the Eastern Front only 10x better somehow. It's quite hilarious to watch the news actually it sounds like fiction. They will literally report it with a bunch of adjectives and shit to excite you like 'the outmanned, outnumbered, brave Ukrainians are beating back the Russians in a dramatic awe-inspiring war for the survival of civilisation'. It's literally this retarded.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Many of your countrymen have been killed in Ukraine. Apparently several high ranking intelligence and military officers as well. Thoughts?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I hope so

[–]VacaLeitera767 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Brazil - news media (excluding smaller left-wing and a few Bolsonarista outlets) is overwhelmingly Americanist and thus anti-Russian with the narrative completely dominated by the same libcon stuff you see in Europe and the US. The majority of the political establishment also sucks up to the West. Ukrainian flags were on display on public billboards all over my city a few weeks ago. The results are predictable - most regular people have bought the default narrative that Putin is the bad guy, although very few actually care about it.

The government tries to maintain a more neutral stance because the agribusiness sector is heavily dependent upon Russian fertilizer imports. Also, Bolso feels alienated from western leaders and has been betrayed by the rats of the CIA and by the US government (who are funding hostile globohomo ideology and oppositionist "new left" movements inside Brazil despite the most pro-US president in history - talk about being a shitty ally) and so he himself now tries to stay on friendly terms with Putin.

Funnily enough, the place where you will find a lot of outspoken Russia sympathizers is left-wing political parties as well as universities, which are dominated by the Maoist-Trotskyist-Stalinist far-left. (although recently the younger crowd has been abandoning the old soviet-bolivarian ways and leaning more towards spewing wokeness and covert CIA talking points - to them, Russia is "fascist" and a threat to LGBTQ rights and to the existence of Trans people, which is all they care about). Lula (left-wing leader) while in the presidency had taken a third-worldist stance, generally friendly to China and Russia, but is now walking on a thin line trying to please both his commie base and globohomo media, NGOs and the US regime, whose support he needs to beat Bolsonaro in the October elections.

[–]Hates__PeachPeach Leftists Hate 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In Brazil, the Marxist Left is also being replaced by the 'progressive' Left?

I'm hearing people from Eastern Europe saying the exact same thing in their own countries.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Very interesting, I don't get to know much about Brazil. I would have assumed a more overtly pro Russia stance, but probably Bolsonaro isn't really able to control the media.

About the left-right pro-russia alliance however we are experiencing the same thing. It's a liberal/non-liberal divide, not a left/right one.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The media is entirely pro-Ukraine and worships Zelensky. The only mainstream person that i know of who is even slightly skeptical is Tucker. But i dont watch any TV at all anymore so i cant speak to what jewish golems most amerifatts are getting their propaganda from

There are Ukraine flags all around ClownTown