Blackpill on Brothers of Italy?

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https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1551512936392413185?s=19

Paging Italian bros

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[–]Oingo 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Just my opinion but with regards to electoral politics, you should ignore all the schizo discussion about the more esoteric political things like ‘atlanticists’, ‘NWO’, ‘eurasianism’ etc.

People like Meloni and Salvini don’t think like that. They think about normie issues like immigration, taxes, zoning.

I think Evola, Dugin, esoteric Nazism, SS esoterism, the Ur group, perennialism are interesting, but this isn’t the level of analysis where those factors fit in.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

There's nothing esoteric about Atlanticism, it just means are you pro-America/ZOG/NATO/EU/the 'West' or not. Any 'nationalist' party that wants to align with the jews genociding white people globally is obviously not to be supported regardless of what they say about 'immigration, taxes, and zoning'.

[–]Nasser 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How would you want a White Nationalist party to act? Should they be openly identifying as Fascist and calling out the JQ in every speech?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely. At the very least they could, yknow, not openly declare their total loyalty to the people genociding white people.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also aren't there some rather mainstream figures such as Salvini and Le Pen who are "anti-atlanticist"?

I mean they are still not to be supported because they're zionist bastards, but it's not esoteric at all like people here say it is, it's not related to Evola and esoteric nazism at all lmao

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good point

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Meloni is indeed pro-nato (not the party). There are 90 American nukes in Italy, being anti-nato is not a serious option for the head of the party. And we have no nukes on our own. Also distancing from randos who commit crimes is pretty mandatory if you actually want the power.

What the party actually has is a solid national-conservative stance, an ethnonationalist ethos when it comes to immigration and citizenship laws, and an explicitly fascist militant base from where they are eventually going to get people for the elections.

The party won't make the revolution. Hopes must be kept low. What the party is going to do is blocking immigration and gay laws, try to get a more prominent role in the Mediterranean, rump up the military budget. And hopefully it will change a little bit the public narrative, which is extremely important.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, its a stepping stone towards the real thing

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Anti-NATO is extremely fringe position in all of Europe, so nothing surprising, but yeah, I'm glad I didn't fall for this neocohen garbage in the first place. Whenever someone says he's "against all totalitarianisms", you know you're looking at the clown.

[–]HeWhoGlows 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Anti-NATO is extremely fringe position in all of Europe

Not entirely, there are a lot of groups on the left that are based about NATO. It's only the (((right))) that is completely kiked on this issue.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Even among the left it's not all that common really. The only country which has more prominent politicians who are anti-NATO is France, and that's both on the left and the right.

[–]Rakean93Identitarian socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because the french doesn't have American bases on the national soil. The NATO issue, in the ex-Axis countries, is not up to the nations to decide about.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

France has 17 of them, and I disagree. To politicians it's useful, and normies seem to love NATO as well, not too many people question it.

[–]Schlomo_GaschambergRabbi Schlomo Auschwitzstein Gaschamberg 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The closest thing to 'good guys' there are those fringe groups like Tricolour Flame and Forza Nuova, the latter being the group mentioned in the article as one that Brothers of Italy called for banning. All of the other groups, including the Lega, are garbage. Imagine giving up northern separatism when southern Italy are the ones who empower the idiots like PD and 5SM. All for what? Their midwit Berber mongrel minds that also produced the Mafia and all of those other criminal groups? The crimes that they commit are far worse than that of vandalizing trade union offices.

Condemning 'all totalitarianism' just sounds like the lame Trumpism that Salvini embraced. Just because liberetardians also tend towards thinking that the mandates surrounding Covid are garbage doesn't mean that any party of the Right needs to accommodate their ideas on every other issue, which are overwhelmingly incorrect. All this pro-NATO and EU, pro-Jew, Israel, Ukraine and Zionist, the anti-Russia stuff, all of it is all braindead. Most of these things should be depoliticized if they can't be backflipped on: they are of no relevance to everyday life whatsoever.

America isn't going to go from completely opposing their participation in any future government to accepting it just because of your virtue signalling for Zelensky, for the intergovernmental organizations, for the American-led liberal international order, for Israel. Why act like you need their approval?

This is just like the Austrian FPO all over again. Allegations of corruption. Ties to the Far-Far-Far-off-the-charts-Right (given that the FPO are already 'Far-Right' in this ridiculous Overton Window). Then the next election happens, they go from being in the halls of power to a fringe group again. No to Meloni, no to the Italian Le Pen.