Is anyone else increasingly apathetic about Ukraine-Russia conflict

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Both sides are annoying, but I found Russia's performance to be mind baffling.

Given how corrupt Ukraine is, Putin could have just offered to buy out Zelenskyy and turn him into a pro-Russian puppet.

Instead, he launched an all out invasion that failed to topple the government, and now he's stuck in a stalemate. If he surrenders, then he loses whatever strongman status he built up. But if he continues the fight, then he's just depleting Russia's military inventory.

The whole war is like a Boomer's final cry for attention. Putin is at an age where he should have retired already, but he's using his last days to to make everyone miserable. Pathetic.

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With the exception that the leader could play both sides and not maintain loyalty to one. Your username is a pathetic attempt at centrism given the level of propaganda you spew. Maybe take the radical away? And replace it with shill. Gvt rookie.

Looking forward to hearing from you after you’ve insulted aborigines with racial science to define intelligence. Here’s a clue: unknown-unknowns - something your white slave master has come up with in the past. Meaning that you’ll never know everything.

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    [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    The West tried to goad Putin into storming on Kiev, but Putin's not stupid enough to attempt that (according to John Mearsheimer). His actual goal is to try and install a pro-Russian government, not to conquer Ukraine by military means.

    Do you consider the Bay of Pigs a success? The U.S sent troops to overthrow Cuba, yet Castro pushed them back and even got nuclear missiles in return.

    If Putin wants to install a new government, then he's letting millions of Western aid continue to flow into Ukraine.

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      [–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I don't see how this is analogous to Putin's war. Cuba and Ukraine are geographically distinct from each other.

      Cuba was the closest to a U.S adversary being right on their doorstep. Even more so than the USSR or Japan was.

      Yet any invasion/embargo against Cuba is regarded as a failure, the same way Putin declaring the Ukrainian government "Nazis" in the opening war but then being forced back from the Capital is now a failed objective.

      Shifting gears to a war of attrition is historically a bad idea. We have Afghanistan & Vietnam as precedents for bigger countries losing the will to fight in the long term.

      The Ukrainians aren't competent enough to use equipment properly, hence the hesitancy of various governments to supply their best equipment.

      You don't need Ukrainians for that. The U.S supplying their satellite intel is good enough. It was how they managed to sink a Russian ship last year.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-intel-helped-ukraine-sink-russian-flagship-moskva-officials-say-rcna27559

      By the way, I'm not saying Ukraine is perfect or can actually win the war. Rather it's Russia that put themselves in a quagmire that is too difficult to dig out.

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      We have Afghanistan & Vietnam as precedents for bigger countries losing the will to fight in the long term.

      The Russians don't think like Europeans/Americans. Generally the European way of war is that one side fights until the situation is completely hopeless, then surrenders. But for Russians, there's no such thing as a "hopeless situation". Hitler's Germany adopted a similar attitude, believing it could simply survive by holding out for a miracle, was that mistaken? Hitler's Germany was leagues ahead of the US government and even they underestimated the Russian/Slavic mentality, and admitted so.

      [–]oligarchracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      If Putin wants to install a new government, then he's letting millions of Western aid continue to flow into Ukraine.

      Actually it's now hundreds of billions, not millions, and it hasnt changed the situation on the ground at all, but has convinced a lot of the world that the US is run by crazy people who cannot be trusted. A few years ago there was no end in sight to Jewish global hegemony, but this Ukraine mess is backfiring so badly that it's now conceivable, as it's US golem managed to do the one thing it should never do, convince the world to drop the US dollar. I doubt Putin is some strategic genius that managed to get the US to mortally wound itself as part of some master plan all along, but regardless that is looking like the end result of all this.

      [–]oligarchracy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Time is now completely on Russia's side. The Ukrainians are running out of men, and at this point are likely facing serious morale problems as this thing drags on and they face inevitable death or crippling injury. Much of the world has sided with Russia on this and the Russians have endured the worst of western sanctions and suffered little effects, while the end of US dollar hegemony is now in sight, and by extension the end of US power and influence. The neocons bet the farm on beating the Russians and there's no longer any conceivable way the Russians lose this. Never underestimate neocon hubris and incompetence. They bloodied the Russians for sure, but the Russians have endured far worse in the past and bounced back with a vengeance.

      There's also increasing evidence that Jews are getting nervous and don't want to be seen by the Russians as responsible for this mess, which to me is a sign that many of them are coming to the realization that their Russian regime changing project has failed.

      [–]AlphixNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

      But are the Ukrainians standing for any kind of white advocacy? It seems they are very much into genociding the white people of Eastern Ukraine, meaning that "Nazis" is only being used as a dog whistle rather than actually meaning what it means.

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        [–]AlphixNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Insightful and I agree.

        [–]TrabWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I just find it depressing seeing how much White life is dying thanks to Jews. I really hope I live to see Arabs push the Israelis into the Ocean

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                [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                Kill yourself?

                [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                We can't afford to be because it could instantly escalate into nuclear war. If it was a conventional war I could care less, but it's a proxy ZOG war against Russia (read White non-ZOG) so it's a war against all of us.

                [–]oligarchracy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                At this point I think it's safe to say the war has failed from the neocon perspective. Sanctions didn't cripple Russia. and once China, India, developing nations like Brazil, and now oil rich gulf states started siding with Russia it was game over. The risk is the neocons become increasingly desperate and continue escalating things. They've already risked nuclear meltdown, nuclear war, and getting caught carrying out acts of terrorism on European energy infrastructure. They even apparently attempted to assassinate Putin using a drone attack on the Kremlin, which is full on crazy, and are now launching cross border attacks directly on Russia. Since they have more or less gotten away with all of these things who knows what they're going to try next.