Do you think it is acceptable for a White man to race mix because they were unable to find a good White woman?

submitted by 8thmonitor from self.debatealtright

I saw this comment on a Jared Taylor interview:

I'm a 49 year old White man, and I have not been able to find a good White woman. I did find a good Hmong woman recently, and am going to marry her. Can I still be taken seriously as an advocate for my people, or will I be dismissed because I am in an inter racial marriage? Because the fact is that White women have been turned against White men, and this is why I am with a Hmong woman.

I don't even know what a "Hmong" is. Google says they are some Southeast Asian ethnicity. It sounds like he "found" her because she is one of those mail-order brides. That just makes this situation sadder.

Personally, I don't think producing a mixed-race child is ever a good thing. Those kids have many physical and mental problems. Isn't the best choice to just adopt a white kid? What do others think?

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I'm surprised at all the yes answer.

I was talking to this Indian Taxi Driver yesterday and he even said that races intermarrying is destructive. He knows that family members will gossip and say bad stuff behind your back. You wont live the type of life you think will.

[–]JapsDoEverythingRiteBlack Nationalist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Races intermarrying is destructive. But there are at least two questions being asked here, though.

The first is if it would be acceptable for a White man to marry an asian woman. I don't think it should be acceptable, and these men who have should be begrudgingly accepted at best. However, if Whites are believed to be in such a dire position that a collective agrees that breeding with asians is necessary to save it, then that is an issue that should be decided upon

The second question here is if whites who intermarry should be accepted as white advocates. Again, there are some that would and some that would not. There are plenty who do. John Derbyshire and Señor Fred are some contributiors on Amren and both have intermarried, and while the latter may not quite be a white nationalist, he is a White advocate. Again, what would be acceptable for Whites regarding this will vary by group and what their goals are.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

However, if Whites are believed to be in such a dire position that a collective agrees that breeding with asians is necessary to save it, then that is an issue that should be decided upon.

Dire? How did millions of other White Men & Women breed throughout history? WW2, the Bubonic plague, hell even the Mongol invasions? Race mixing was never the answer to creating more Whites.

Go to some poor European country like Ukraine, offer $1,000 or even citizenship, and get a White wife. There's no excuse.

The second question here is if whites who intermarry should be accepted as white advocates. Again, there are some that would and some that would not. There are plenty who do. John Derbyshire and Señor Fred are some contributiors on Amren and both have intermarried, and while the latter may not quite be a white nationalist, he is a White advocate. Again, what would be acceptable for Whites regarding this will vary by group and what their goals are.

I don't like this because it fuels propaganda that can be used by enemies.

"Haha, he says he pro-White but marries an Asian"

You can advocate but when the truth is revealed, you'll have the seriousness of Clayton Bigsby.

https://youtu.be/7HcQ87RFN5k?t=129

[–]8thmonitor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That option of European mail-order bride also sounds like a realistic and superior option.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

He knows that family members will gossip and say bad stuff behind your back.

(they do this if you marry in-group too)

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's a lot worse when the family members speak another language or have far different cultural norms.

They'll see your race as different and have all the leverage to destroy your life. Not the same as two white people who share similar interests but have disagreements.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Can I still be taken seriously as an advocate for my people

Yes. I wrote my opinion on this here:

https://communities.win/c/ConsumeProduct/p/16biTkOFb4/jf-gariepy--divorce-mathematical/c/4Tv9E6eqLeC

or will I be dismissed because I am in an inter racial marriage?

Most people that dismiss such a person are either purity shills or out of touch. Purity spiraling is bad IMHO. It's not good for our movement (at least not in the states; Europe is a bit different). Now people that fetishize non whites and have a preference for them and think that whites should go around breeding non whites are a different story.

Because the fact is that White women have been turned against White men, and this is why I am with a Hmong woman.

Not all white women have been turned against white men. The dating market is bad but it's not that bad. This commenter doesn't have to date a Hmong women either. With the right effort he could find a white women. I'm not going to chastize him either though because I know how bad the dating market is. Asians and Hispanics aren't as bad as other non whites anyway. See previous comment.

Personally, I don't think producing a mixed-race child is ever a good thing.

Not all mixed race children are the same and if mixed race couples stay a small majority of the whole they really aren't a problem. Having super agressive purity standards will turn people off to our views though so I propose being flexibly with some of these things.

Those kids have many physical and mental problems

There's no denying this. It's true. Race mixing is not ideal.

Isn't the best choice to just adopt a white kid?

In some cases yes but men shouldn't cuck themselves either.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

That is a great write up. So would Hmong be below tier 12? Hmong are not East Asian like Chinese, Korean, or Japanese.

I looked at some of his videos. His face looks fine. It is sad that he is marrying a Hmong when higher tier women are surely available.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So would Hmong be below tier 12

I don't know much about them. I consider the Japanese and Koreans a bit higher ranked than Chinese and other Asians. I would say even if this guy is ugly/average he could probably go find a Japanese women or higher quality Asian. Yes, I might soft criticize him if I met him (I don't think we should worry much about him considering he's almost in his 50's; it's men from teens to 30's we should most be concerned about). Average and ugly white men need to know that if they just got a haircut and ask out more women they could easily date higher tiers (maybe not top notch white women but higher tiers on that list). Most of the problem is grooming and logistics. There's also nothing wrong with lower quality white men and women not breeding. I would never force them not to breed but we don't have to actively help them breed either. There needs to be some type of soft eugenics going on. It's what made whites what they are.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hmong are not actually that bad IQ wise and hapas don't tend to be dysgenic in terms of physical strength or intelligence. Just face and mental health. Though that's 2-3 generations wasted in an era of declining white population proportion.

[–]8thmonitor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What is their IQ? In the 90s? This google result says 82.15 IQ with Performance IQ of 95 and a verbal IQ of 74. Low verbal is likely because they cannot speak English well.

https://beyondhighbrow.com/2011/01/03/southeast-asian-iq-scores/

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would expect with proper conditions to rise to low 100s. You could use Vietnamese IQ as a proxy and they've scored 109 average in a recent study.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Not if they want an ethnostate pass

Can I still be taken seriously as an advocate

Taken seriously by who?

Why are your posts 90% d/c nonsense

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    [–]8thmonitor[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I am not a troll. This is my only account lol.

    I post on saidit because I am on summer break and have so much free time. I go on saidit to just have some interaction with others.

    [–]8thmonitor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I think he meant to be taken seriously by other white advocates.

    What is d/c? I don't mean for my posts to sound like nonsense. I am on summer break and have so much free time. I have nothing to do during these months. That's why I spend my time thinking about if Nick Fuentes would be more popular if he practiced Protestantism, if France is the worst White state, if fascists agree on JQ, etc.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    d and c stands for divide and conquer. Which means when you get the board arguing you win because you split the enemy up and distract them from other more pressing topics; it's a way to slide the board. We have a list of troll strategies on the sidebar if you want to read about them. Some common troll topics: what is white? Is race mixing ok? What do you think about 'Christ cucks'? Why are white women fat whores? etc etc. If you do want to talk about one of those topics make sure you explain yourself fully and talk in a respectful and informative way and try to respond timely in the thread. If you don't you might be accused of being a new troll or an old trolled disguised under a new name (we have two very common old trolls salos and socks). As an alt right discussion forum we get a LOT of trolls so we are always on guard. I've seen you on other subverses on saidit and you seem pretty genuine so at this juncture there are no mods accusing you of being a sockpuppet account.

    [–]IphjdashnathawDeath to Zionism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Dysgenic incel losers have a "right" to throw away their worthless genes by race mixing with Asians provided they never step foot in a White country again, but they absolutely should not be allowed any place in the White Nationalist Movement.

    [–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    Personally I went for a blue eyed aryan wife but then I wanted blue eyed aryan children. If she gets you hard and doesn't plan on divorcing you for the house and alimony down the road go for it.

    [–]8thmonitor[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Damn. So you are no longer married to your wife? It is sad she didn't want kids and chose divorce.

    [–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    How did you glean that? We have grandchildren now and have been married so long we now fart dust.

    [–]8thmonitor[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Your line about "then I wanted blue eyed aryan children" and divorce confused me lol.

    [–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I had girls get pissed off at me in college because I wouldn't date brown eyed girls. One even proposed marriage our senior year and broke down when I told her I would only procreate with a blue eyed aryan girl. Yeh, I fucked her but it was just a ride not a long term relationship.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    If he doesn't have kids (and he really shouldn't even with a white woman at that age) it doesn't matter. Being childless and having nothing to lose however, it seems cowardly and selfish that he seeks the arm of a foreign woman for little gain when he could throw himself more fully into activism or infiltration.

    [–]8thmonitor[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I also think it is a very bad idea to have kids at 50. It is very hard to raise kids at old age. Would he even live long enough to see their kid graduate high school? Also, having kid at old age means increased chance of autism and other diseases.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The latter is more what I was thinking of it's highly dysgenic. Otherwise the rest is superfluous honestly most 50 year olds will live to their 70s

    [–]WhiteZealotWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's acceptable for a White man to spread his seed in foreign lands so long as non-Whites are not allowed into White countries. The goal in doing so would be to turn all other races whiter gradually while still retaining the purity of the White race.

    It's never acceptable for a White woman to racemix.

    [–]AlphixNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I think there must be some (white, obviously) Ukrainian women looking for a man from elsewhere about now? And Russian brides? I'm sure there are white women ready to marry a man in a traditional way.

    Now frankly, marrying somebody is much much more than "You will prepare the meals and maintain the household, and have sex whenever I decide". It's a partnership. I have found the perfect woman for me, sadly the first two attempts at procreation failed and now we are well into our 50s.

    [–]JapsDoEverythingRiteBlack Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    One of Japanese Jared's contributors on Amren is a white man who took a chinese to wife and had children with them. People dont seem to complain about him, so perhaps a person similar to that can be an advocate for Whites.

    [–]8thmonitor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Who is that? I wonder why they don't adopt kids. It is definitely better than race mixing.

    [–]JapsDoEverythingRiteBlack Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    John Derbyshire

    [–]IphjdashnathawDeath to Zionism 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    He's also a Zionist Philo-Semite

    [–]8thmonitor[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I looked him up. I see his chinese wife. Strange.