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War dreams
submitted 2 years ago by jet199 from self.dreams
It's well known that Jung had reoccurring dreams of a yellow flood covering Europe just before WW1 broke out.
So it was slightly worrying that I dreamt a tsunami was coming in last night.
[–]Vulptex 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun - 2 years ago (6 children)
Natural disaster dreams happen all the time and they're usually not prophetic. Is there any particular reason you think it has something to do with the Ukraine conflict?
Btw, if you thought your dream was scary, read about the one with anvil clouds.
[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago (5 children)
Yes - and as Jung noted in his Archetypes of the Collective Subconscious, his research on flood (& tsunami) myths & dreams indicated that a dream of being caught in a flood is mainly a concern about a problem that involves several people. (Everyone in the dream is part of the self.) Jet's concern likely involves a group of people. Jung and poets in his time also wrote about the 'flood of life', which influenced interpretations of floods as sudden, complex problems involving several people that are difficult to resolve.
[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago (4 children)
"Collective subconscious" is part of the control system. The archons are trying to destroy us just like communists. And they want us to be drawn back to the matrix all the time. If God wanted you to be nothing but part of a collective, he wouldn't have made you in the first place.
Dreams can mean things, but more often they're just random. And even when they do mean something, usually it's just something about you, not anything supernatural.
[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago (3 children)
Jung's meaning of the term appears to have been: a type of unconscious "common to mankind as a whole and originating in the inherited structure of the brain." He coined the term, collective unconscious, and this definition for it. It's based on his research on myths and our 'inherited' cultural norms. I don't think it's meant to develop control, but instead psychoanalysis of the unconscious. It a hermeneutic, not statecraft.
[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago (2 children)
So basically primal instincts? That would make sense, but I doubt it relates to prophecy.
[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago (1 child)
Yes - I think that's a good description of what Jung, Freud and other Austrian, Swiss, and German intellectials were studying in the mid-to-late 19th century. Many of these scholars were at least partially Hegelian in their approaches, and were thus believing that one's understanding of the unconscious could be informative of potential predictions, or natural reactions of the mind to balance itself. For them it waas a science of the mind, so to speak.
[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago (0 children)
Right. But that would be more relevant to personal meanings, not prophetic visions. But even the personal meanings are hard to tell, because dreams are so random.
[–]In-the-clouds 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun - 2 years ago (1 child)
Many people are having these tsunami dreams. There are also prophetic messages about tsunamis hitting the coasts. It is good for you to thoughtfully consider your dreams. Some are from God.
Job 33:14-18 For God speaketh once, yea twice, yet man perceiveth it not. In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men, in slumberings upon the bed; Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction, That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man. He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the sword.
[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun - 2 years ago* (0 children)
Unless there's a particular reason to think a dream is prophetic, it's probably not. Natural disasters are extremely common in dreams and nightmares. Even if it presents itself as a prophecy, it could be a false one, or more likely, just in your head.
Even though I don't buy it this one really freaked me out, because if it's true then our fate is unbearable suffering with no hope of escape or even death. And it does seem to have correctly predicted current events so far. But the details are so vague that it was more likely just a lucky guess, and it's really far-fetched. Though anything is possible in the matrix, and its owners are sadists who love tormenting people. I desperately pray that this doesn't happen. That dream did go from completely plausible to sci-fi horror movie nightmare levels of insanity real quick, so if things do happen this way hopefully only the first part of it is real and the rest of it was just a nightmare that picked up where the vision left off. It's probably just some lunatic's ramblings, but it gives me such a dreadful feeling. And actually I vaguely remember plugging in to the matrix before this life started, and I think it was because unspeakable horrors happened or were happening to us. And what happened in those ships in their dream feels a little too familiar. But this memory is also unlikely to be real, and false memories aren't solid (real ones aren't too solid already) and change all the time.
I just need to calm down, these kinds of stories always freak me out for a bit even if they straight up admit that they're stories. Like how when you wake up from a nightmare you still feel like it's happening and are too scared to move or go back to sleep even though you know it was just a dream...or was it? I mean I'm pretty sure "real" life is also a dream of some kind, but it usually respects realistic boundaries; although it's definitely been getting more lax lately, so anything's possible. Hopefully not this or anything like this.
[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 2 years ago (0 children)
You might be interested to read about Jung's close associate M.L. von Franz as well. She catalogued a lot about dream interpretation, including some about war such as the dreams of Achilles.
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