Judge in Rittenhouse trial screams at the prosecutor. Based judge. We need him in Congress.

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[–]Carnate 11 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Clear case of self-defense by a kid who is just helping out his community.

[–]Feldheld 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

He's not intimidated. Balls and brains. A rare breed these days.

[–]MagicMike 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Only thing Kyle did wrong was helping these people PRETEND that they have a rational society. Quit helping them. Let them kill each other and burn down their rat nest cities.

Think about people who put up statues to a scum N who tried to pass a fake $20 bill, swallows his Fen and meth, fights with cops. The cop goes to prison and the scum N has statues put up in his honor…while Bill DeBlasio and the rest of the filth take down Thomas Jefferson’s statue in New York.

Quit helping these demented violent animals!

[–]Nullisect 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

The problem is, he is going to die in the next 20 years and there won't be people like him to take his place.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I'm pretty sure the judge is a Democrat.

[–]Nullisect 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it doesn't matter if he is or isn't

He clearly values morals and ethics over politics which is something that is uncommon now.

He will be replaced by someone that is less hardline on ethics and it will keep slipping down the slope

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That prosecutor seems lost. There's no way he would have taken that case if the higher-ups hadn't forced it on him. I think he's trying everything he can to win, but I don't see it happening.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Dang, makes me want to go watch a nicky rackets video.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I wonder what the prosecutor brought up like that... Kinda happy about how all this is going though.

[–]Zapped 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

He was bringing up "evidence" of Rittenhouse's behavior months after his first court hearing that had already been deemed inadmissible. The prosecutor said that he thought the ruling was not final (like only a suggestion) and then he tried to bring into evidence the famous picture of Rittenhouse at the bar with a t-shirt that read "Free As Fuck".

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Oh man that prosecutor is a lost cause. /facepalm

[–]HiddenFox 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Could the prosecutor be doing this to try and force a mistrial knowing they are going to lose?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A mistrial could easily have been declared when the jury was seen to hold Rittenhouse guilty even before the trial started.

[–]FediNetizen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If a mistrial is declared because of prosecutorial misconduct, then it can't be retried. It's the same as a not guilty verdict in that sense.

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It's worth noting that not only that, but just a few minutes prior had tried to question Rittenhouse about not telling his story to the media before he got on the stand, and the judge also had to dismiss the jury so he could admonish the prosecutor about that. So this was the 2nd time in like 10 minutes that the judge needed to dismiss the jury to talk about the prosecutor's misconduct, so this time he was really gonna get it.

If you don't understand why asking about his silence on the case is a big no-no, the 5th Amendment states you cannot be compelled in a criminal case to be a witness against yourself. Courts have long held that this protection also means that prosecution cannot use someone's silence as evidence, or use it to imply guilt, or question the defendant about their silence should they choose to testify. This isn't some obscure or new rule, so it's something the prosecutor definitely knew he was violating.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. I heard there was a 5th Amendment implication, but I wasn't listening to the trial during cross-examination.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Counter point: if I stayed silent at a traffic stop I'd probably be arrested for it.

[–]FediNetizen 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are certain non-incriminating questions an officer can ask you, such as your name and things like that. Those aren't an infringement on your 5th amendment rights, so refusing to answer could get you arrested.

[–]DisgustResponse 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Congress? Would be a waste. Judges are more important.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Local judge in Kenosha, WI? Extremely limited influence.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

Judges do that. It wasn’t an emotional reaction. He was admonishing the defense lawyer.

[–]Node 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

He was admonishing the

Hapless Prosecutor. Stupid and deceitful appears to be his character.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Yes, it's a normal concern by a judge who is concerned with the process. However, he was admonishing the DA, for reasons noted here.

In any event, the judge and DA are both really odd, as if they might be trying to help Kyle. But this is what he's obvious guilty of:

first-degree reckless homicide against Joseph Rosenbaum

first-degree recklessly endangering safety against Richard McGinnis 

first-degree intentional homicide against Anthony Huber

attempted first-degree intentional homicide against Gaige Grosskreutz

first-degree recklessly endangering safety against an unknown male victim

possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18

Kyle's crying theatrics today should also be obvious evidence of his attempt to manipulate the jury, to which he looked while crying like a terribly back actor.

[–]Zapped 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You should contact the prosecution and offer to help.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Self defense is a legal defense against those charges.

[–]FediNetizen 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

You're joking, right?

Rosenbaum had been acting very aggressively towards the people on Kyle's patrol, and told Kyle that if he "caught him alone that night he was gonna fucking kill him". He caught Kyle by himself later that night, and tried to jump him. Kyle managed to get away and Rosenbaum started chasing him. Kyle tried turning around and pointing his gun at him but this didn't deter Rosenbaum, who kept chasing him, and when he was right behind him and lunged for his gun was when Kyle finally shot him.

The forensic pathologist that examined Rosenbaum's body found injuries to Rosenbaum's left hand not only from a bullet, but from the soot ejected from the end of the barrel. He said this only happens if the skin is less than a foot from the end of the barrel, and usually when it's within a few inches. And notably, only the section of his hand from the middle/ring fingers to thumb had these injuries. The pinky area didn't, indicating that part of his hand was behind the end of the barrel. So if his hand wasn't on the barrel, it was really damn close, proving he was trying to grab it.

With regards to the other homicides, Kyle was running towards police after the first shooting to turn himself in (you're supposed to do this even if acting in self-defense), and had members of the crowd throw stuff at him and cause him to trip. It was at this point that an unnamed man ran up and kicked him in the head. Kyle fired at this guy twice, and this was the only guy he missed.

Then right after that Anthony Huber ran up, hit Kyle in the head (or his neck?) with his skateboard, and grabbed his gun to try to take it away. Kyle shot this guy once, dropping him almost instantly.

Then finally Grosskreutz approached Kyle with a pistol in his hand. Kyle pointed his rifle at him and Grosskreutz did this fake surrender maneuver where he held his hands up, but as soon as Kyle dropped his gun Grosskreutz pointed his pistol at him. He was too slow though, leading to his bicep getting vaporized and the creation of this hilarious meme.

  • When someone has threatened to kill you, tries to jump you, is chasing you, isn't deterred by you merely pointing your gun, and is now trying to take your gun, you are justified in using deadly force to defend yourself.

  • When someone runs up and kicks you in the face while you are on the ground, you are justified in using deadly force to defend yourself.

  • When someone runs up and hits you in the head with a skateboard while you are on the ground, you are justified in using deadly force defending yourself.

  • And when someone runs up with a pistol in their hand and points it at you, you are justified in using deadly force to defend yourself.

People have argued that Kyle really shouldn't have been there that night (possibly true), that he crossed state lines with a gun to be there (not true, the weapon was always in Wisconsin, and he lives 15 minutes away), and that he was looking for trouble (not true based on all the witness testimony that night stating that he had been friendly and non-confrontational whenever any less serious confrontation came up).

None of that has any substantial truth to it, but even if it did, it's irrelevant to his self-defense case. The fact is that every time Kyle fired his gun, it was in response to the threat of death or serious bodily harm, and he was justified in using deadly force to neutralize that threat. No one is going to convict someone of "recklessly endangering safety" for shooting someone in self-defense when that person had another person behind them. With the curfew charge having been dropped because it was declared unconstitutional by a judge in another case, the only possible crime he could actually be convicted of here is the underage weapons possession charge, and I'm not even sure if he was actually in violation of that based on this section which specifically exempts minors over 16 in possession of a rifle or shotgun. The judge apparently wasn't sure either, and he said he would have to read the statute more closely and would give the jury specific instructions about it when it came time to determine his guilt.

Bottom line is that he's not obviously guilty of any of those things, and for most of them it's quite the opposite.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for this. Welcome back! As you can see, I think Kyle provoked those responses, but I do appreciate that these are also good arguments for his self defense. How this is addressed legally is quite complicated. If only the judge and DA were not idiots.

[–]ShalomEveryone 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That was an emotional outburst.

Shalom

✡️️

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Why do you say shalom all the time?

[–]humancorpse 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

shalom is what muslims say when they want to pretend to be jews.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I mean, it’s like he is throwing his religion into everyone face. It’s like the transexuals. It’s annoying. I don’t care if someone is Jewish.

[–]humancorpse 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

i find it interesting that religion, at the most basic level, is about seeking and worshipping god..

..but so many people turn it into a badge of honor of sorts that they swing around like a sword.

i find it to be pathetic.

fyi, i dont have a problem with the trans community.

i remember years ago, there was this gay boy in houston in the montrose area... he was walking home or to his car and he was coming from a gay bar... some anti-gay men had 2x4 boards with big nails protruding from the ends of the boards... they beat this boy to death.. because he likes dick.

because of things like this that happen, i can appreciate that the lgbt and the trans community are taking a stand and they arent taking any crap from anyone.

some of it, i must admit, has gone a bit too far, like the video below that shows a seven year old trans girl.... but what do i know, maybe this is a legit thing..

peace to all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5P3Z_TW-O4

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The Judge is a MAGAtard and - with the prosecuter - will try to get a mistrial with prejudice, which will mean that there can be no re-trial:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qr2tyh/judge_schroeders_phone_rings_in_the_middle_of_the/

Edit: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/bruce-schroeder-kyle-rittenhouse-judge-phone-b1955443.html

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

What an amazing way to use whataboutism to distract from the topic! How about that prosecutorial misconduct, eh? Going forward with a trial while clear exculpatory evidence existed! Nah, let's change the subject and engage in personal attacks. Well done, the social media influencer paycheck was earned today.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

let's change the subject and engage in personal attacks

That's what socks and people like him do. It's clearly bad faith debate.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Don't be an idiot, Chipit. The judge is obviously biased and will get a mistrial.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Uh, so are we just ignoring the blatant prosecutorial misconduct here? It is totally illegal to attack the defendant with his claiming of 5th Amendment rights in front of the jury. The prosecutor did it anyway. That's why the judge got so angry.

The mistrial is about to be in favor of the defendant. With prejudice, so he can't be retried. Then we can see about hauling the prosecutor in front of the Bar and get his law license revoked for gross misconduct.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I didn't avoid it, per my other comments. The fact is that the Judge should be disbarred, driven to the state line, and told not to come back.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Pure 100% whataboutism.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

About the biased judge, which is the topic of the discussion? You can't redefine whataboutism....

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Uh, no. It's the prosecutor's blatant misconduct. Hello? You know, that made the judge angry in the first place?

You do NOT attempt to bias the jury with the defendant's Fifth Amendment rights. Has zero to do with guilt or innocence, and the prosecutor knew this from the first year of law school. He's likely to be disciplined after the trial, and if there is any justice in the world he'll be disbarred.

Just like prosecutor Mike Nifong in the Duke University lacrosse team non-rape case.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The DA is just doing his job, and he goofed. It's approprite to address the OP's note that the "Judge in Rittenhouse trial screams...." The reason the Trumptard Judge is trying to find a reason for a mistrial is that he is actively trying to get a mistrial. It's relevant.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He didn't just goof. Seriously? He deliberately did what he did because his star witness exonerated the defendant. We all saw him facepalm.

[–]mahavishnunj 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

'screams'/'based'/and a shit twitter link thread. par for the course.