The United States jails more of our citizens than any other country. 1 in every 20 Americans will get arrested in their life-time. Once again, money is the motivation to keep our state and federal prisons full to keep prison factories full of cheap labor workers who earn an average of $2 per day.

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[–]YORAMRWNational Justice Party 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It also doesn't help that America has a lot of "diversity" compared to other Western nations

[–]NorfolkTerrier 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I've usually supported the existence of prison labor, since it seems better for people to do something for their community rather than just sit in a cell. And it's good for them to have a little money on release. But this is a good point, there may be a perverse incentive to jail more people to get labor out of them.

Would you support a ban on prison labor, or would you prefer to just pay them full/fair wages for the work that they do?

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Even a murderer is forgiven by God if he renounces his ways and takes up the cross.

In Norway murderers do not get more than 20 years. Though it could be much less, in which all of them do communitarian, utilitarian and voluntary work for the community. The industrial prison complex in the US as a for profit industry is absolutely despicable and breeds negative traits.

The US should definately adopt Norway's prison system but in crony-capitalism profit stands before morals.

[–]EY_SCOOF 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The US can't have Norways prison system because the US is not Norway. Apples and oranges.

Aint no bloods and crips in Norway.

[–]robo1p 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That might work if the US was comprised of Norwegians. Do you really think your ideology is universally correct? Do you think it could work in Nigeria? Even the east-asians, with their high trust societies, prefer a harsh system of punishment.

[–]FedUpTrucker 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The solution is to stop prisons being ran by private for profit companies.

[–]BobDolesAneuryism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And stop the war on drugs.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And install a popular dictatorship.

[–]FedUpTrucker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree

[–]robo1p 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And that's what makes america relatively safe. Last time america went easy on crime, you had the 70s-90s crimewave. Then they started to crackdown, and you had the low-crime era of the past two decades.

... and now, following this narrative, they're going easy on crime again. Crime rates in cities like San Francisco are already rising again.

[–]suckitreddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're currently releasing murderers, and rapists, letting them go out onto the streets to do it again. There isn't a problem of too much imprisonment.

[–]StillLessons 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Two wars demonstrate the ignorance which gives us these numbers: the war on drugs and the war on guns.

Both of these wars are logically pathetic. Why? Because drugs and guns are inanimate objects. If we were attacking drugs, no people would be in jail, only the plants and chemicals we claim to be at war with. Similarly, if we were at war with guns, then guns would be punished.

But no. Each of these "wars" is actually just cover for true wars against the people represented in these ideas. Government doesn't like a particular subculture, and they design a pretext to go after that subculture. This is of course proven because the wars are only actually then fought against the selected group, demonstrating partial enforcement. The war on drugs is not fought against the cool musicians TPTB love. One of the photos that best demonstrates this effect for me is the photo of Barack Obama in the audience with Jimmy Page at a concert. Jimmy Page is nothing if not a representative of drug culture (and - as a bonus - sexual assault). But he is a hero. The kid on the street using exactly the same drugs gets 10 years in prison.

We have a dual track justice system, justified by pathetic laws designed to apply only when desired.

Those who are protected (politicians, the economic elite, and their friends) will never face the justice system they create.

This is not about race. It's about political corruption which has been refined over centuries to an art where the tyrants are extremely well hidden behind lies and image-advisors. See through their lies, and you see the true men/women. These people are sociopathic hypocrites of the first order. Welcome to our politicians on both sides of the aisle along with their financial supporters.

[–]AnarchySpeach 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The only thing disturbing is the lack of cameras. Look up how few cameras there are in prisons. Guards can do whatever the fuck they want. Walking around like gods. There is no excuse why some of that money can't go towards a half decent surveillance system. Oops! The camera in that hallway went down. Bullshit. Fuckers flipped it off, beat the fuck out of people in handcuffs, people, human beings who can't fight back, then tacked on extra months for false assaults because the guards couldn't take some shit talk from a bitch already in chains. If a camera "randomly deactivates" every guard in that prison should be fired and the warden arrested. I've seen middle schools with better security systems.

The prison conditions are deplorable.

That's one of the big reason why so many felons choose a shoot out with the police. They'd rather take a bullet now than get tortured for the next 2 years worth of weed.

You want to hear some fucked up shit? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE0hMgzm_48&list=PLvBP0IWLnZPLqfGmtAWsJh_YWpXxiXx54

Look up Larry Lawton. Google wtf that man went through.