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[–]Alphix 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Obviously the pic is lifted, but beyond that, there's a mistake in the text:

If there was an artillery attack on civies, it was UKRAINIAN. Who's stupid enough to think Putin is wasting shells on kids and civilians and thus riling the whole world up against him? Who is dumb enough to think even China, not to mention India, Brazil, and the whole BRICS bloc wouldn't be highly critical of such terrorism? Who is the drooling moron who thinks Putin wants to be everybody's enemy?

[–]Site_rly_sux 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

So in your mind, the ruzzian president is programming the fire controls for each artillery strike? Wow he must be a busy guy.

I would love to hear what it is you think he's doing that magically spares the children. Perhaps, in addition to programming every fire control, he's also scouting every single settlement to make sure the children have left through one of those green corridors that the BRICs love him for respecting so much

[–]Alphix 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

It's funny that mindless establishment sockpuppets say on the one hand that Putin is a ruthless thug and an evil dictator, but on the other hand also state that his military commit whatever atrocities they wish, thereby affecting in very major ways the geopolitical relationships of Russia with regards to the entire world, and Putin doesn't give a shit.

How are those Walmart (tm) neurons working for you?

[–]Site_rly_sux 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So when we unwrap your childish sarcasm here's what you're saying

  1. You don't want to answer for your earlier claims that Putin is somehow preventing artillery from hitting children

  2. You want to change the topic

  3. The new topic is: on the one hand Putin's a ruthless thug and dictator. On the other, he's not preventing any artillery from hitting children

  4. Normally when people make a "on the one hand" argument, they present two conflicting images. But here there's nothing exclusive about the two

  5. However your argument is presented in a way which appears the two are mutually exclusive. So, either Putin isn't a ruthless thug, or, he's truly preventing his armies artillery from hitting children and so this Ukrainian MP had to resort to using a Spanish textbook cover to trick people into thinking that the ruzzian shells are not magically prevented by Putin from hitting children.

Honestly I think I need to take these braincells back to Walmart because they're not working.

Is your argument that Putin is truly preventing shells from hitting children and that's why the OP is a true and good post.

Or are you trying to argue that Putin is a ruthless thug and evil dictator. Because if so I agree with you

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Honestly I think I need to take these braincells back to Walmart because they're not working.

So you guys agree. Shalom.

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Come on. You know I wholeheartedly disagree with him.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I know it. I think he fucked up and agreed with you about him having walmart brain cells.

[–]Alphix 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Pure gold! I love it! :D

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“Thug” and “dictator” are racial slurs when directed by white terrorists like you at people of color for using force to liberate illegally occupied land. Russians are Asian, Asians are of color, and people of color have earned the right to use force to take back what whites stole from them. Russians are the indigenous people of the Donbass. That land belongs to them, and they have the right to keep it in Russian hands by every means necessary just as Israel has the right to keep Jewish land in Jewish hands by every means necessary.

[–]weavilsatemyface 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

So in your mind, the ruzzian president is programming the fire controls for each artillery strike? Wow he must be a busy guy.

Don't be ridiculous, that's not u/Alphix means. He means that the Russian army isn't deliberately targeting civilian targets, especially not children.

Its a war, and war is hell. Of course there are civilian casualties. There may even be "bad apples" who commit war crimes, no matter how virtuous the army. And let's be honest, angry, scared young men in a war zone are rarely that virtuous.

But, there is no evidence except for the Ukrainian propaganda that Russia is intentionally targeting civilians. The opposite is the case: we know beyond any doubt that Ukraine is firing unguided artillery indiscriminately at civilian targets in Donbass. We know that they are dropping illegal "petal" mines into civilian areas. Whatever crimes Ukraine does, they then accuse Russia of doing.

Amnesty International wrote a report that found that Ukraine was in violation of the rules of war by placing active combat troops and artillery in civilian buildings such as hospitals, nursing homes, cinemas and shopping centres. Of course Ukraine protested that by reporting the truth, Amnesty was doing Russia's work for them. Nevertheless, the report is still true: we have photos and video of Ukrainian military hiding in civilian buildings. If Ukraine, NATO or the US had video of Russian troops doing the same, you can bet it would be all over the news and internet.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

He means that

How on earth do you claim to know what he meant?

the Russian army isn't deliberately targeting civilian targets

Nobody was making that claim, not me nor the woman in op.

But now you've bought it up - yes, yes they do. On Christmas Eve they shelled a town market in Kherson. They blew up a train station during evacuation. They dropped a bomb on the theatre signed 'children'. They shelled a breadline.

Yes, they target civilians to spread fear and terror, in Ukraine and Syria and Chechnya and England and the foul ruzzia itself. Go to gulagu dot net and have a look at how fear is maintained in the russia.

For months they've been exclusively targeting civilian infrastructure, to cause terror, and because they're afraid of getting into a tangle with the #1 army in Ukraine

Amnesty

Can suck a ruzzian dick. They forgot to explain how to defend a Ukrainian settlement from the eastern horde without using the Ukrainian army.

Donbass

More ruzprop lies from you. I wonder why in eight years the ruzzian authorities in Donbass never ever allowed NGO access....now we have one source on the claims of shelling, and that's the ruzzians themselves. They didn't want any other party reporting from Donbass and we should ask ourselves why

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Racist and homophobic. You’re just going to make the destruction of “Europe” and every nation created out of “European” imperialist terrorism even more brutal, and bring it about even sooner.

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Spell RUSSIA with an S you racist pedo fuckhole.

[–]Bonn1770 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This kike clown launched a missile into Poland to try to start WW3 and we just sent then 100 billion dollars. We really are the bad guys here.

[–]Oyveygoyim 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Most people are gullible and easily manipulated.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Whoops!

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (65 children)

Well I guess the question is, is the ruzzia firing artillery at Ukraine and it's children?

If they're not firing artillery at Ukraine then she has used this photo to make you incorrectly believe they are. But then I don't get why she'd pick an easily reverse-searchable photo when so much ai exists now. And if the ruzzia isn't firing artillery then who is starring in all the ticktok videos they put out?

So what's the propaganda lies here? You think this person set out to confuse you into thinking that the russia is shelling Ukraine, and in order to do so, she took an image from the cover of some Spanish textbook.

Is the lie that russia isn't actually shelling Ukraine? And that's why she had to use a fake photo?

If she's using a fake photo, seriously, why on earth wouldn't she go to any one of 500 ai image generators? By using a real photo from some Spanish textbook it's almost like she wanted to get found out.

The easiest answer to all these problems is the most likely to be true: that she just made a mistake about the photo's origins in a well-meaning tweet about the cost of war

[–]Megatron95 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (37 children)

Those mental gymnastics must be exhausting.

[–]Dregan 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (34 children)

Ikr.. 😆

Great form.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

Simple explanation: she was mistaken about the pictures origins (see, no gymnastics involved)

Big brain explanation: it's a propaganda lie that she selected a Spanish textbook cover photo to trick you into believing that the ruzzia are firing artillery shells at Ukraine which they aren't, and you'd only think they're firing artillery because of 4d CIA propaganda lies like a local politician tweeting a cover of a Spanish textbook

Great form

I don't think you can be so retarded to honestly be accusing me of being the one doing gymnastics here as opposed to the dipshit OP

[–]Dregan 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (31 children)

She tried selling a FAKE story with an archive pic! Full stop.

Isn't the first this has happened. Ghost of Kiev anyone?

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

Okay so either you're right and she used an archive pic to falsely persuade you that ruzzians shell kids.

Or, she's simply innocently mistaken about this photo, and the ruzzians DO shell kids.

So given that I have a year's worth of observations of Kramatorsk and Mariupol ...and all of the ruzzia's historical conduct of rape and destruction...which of these two things is going to be true. It's clearly not #1

[–]Dregan 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

Yup its the first one. This move has been done many times putting out a false narrative. At some point it stops becoming a coincidence.

I've been following it for decades now and have gotten both sides of the story.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

Wow finally we have a long-term expert to explain....how is it that the russia magically prevent their artillery shells from hitting children and families? Finally, someone who claims to understand it enough to explain the propaganda lie

[–]Dregan 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (26 children)

What are u even talking about? Lol

They got caught lying again & again. Keep defending lies buddy. It's a good look 👌

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Oh - I thought earlier you said you were an expert and had been following things for a while.

The very simple question to you, is, how is it that the ruzzians prevent their artillery from hitting children and families. Earlier you waded into the discussion throwing your expertise around, so it should be easy for you to just explain what it is that Putin does to the artillery fire controls to make them avoid children and families.

After all, it doesn't happen, and that's why fakes like the OP were created out of a Spanish textbook cover. So please use your expertise to enlighten us

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Spell Russia with an S, you fucking racist terrorist pedophile homophobe.

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Racist, homophobic, and ablest. Thank you for admitting that all opposition to Russia constitutes Nazism, that Nazis are for punching, and that all opposition to Russia is a punchable offense.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Okay so what's the propaganda lie that dipshit OP is talking about? Let's see if you're mentally flexible enough to explain - what is the propaganda lie here? "A lady was wrong about the kid's photo, which means, that I'm 100% correct about Donald Trump"

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Those dirty fucking uKKKranian terrorist scum are nothing but a bunch of Nazis. They were Nazis in the 1930s when they made up a fake famine engineered by Stalin to justify killing Jews and Russians. They are Nazis now. uKKKranian national identity is inseparable from Nazism. They are mutually inclusive.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

If she's using a fake photo, seriously, why on earth wouldn't she go to any one of 500 ai image generators?

you try going to one of those sites and generating me a picture close to that good, or maybe they are just lazy and sloppy because nobody cared about them completely fabricating those rape horror stories about viagra and 1 year old babies

The easiest answer to all these problems is the most likely to be true: that she just made a mistake about the photo's origins in a well-meaning tweet about the cost of war

See the thing is there wasn't any information in that tweet, as you say yourself, she isn't saying the the whole world doesn't already know, the picture was the whole point of the tweet. Ukraine is depending on foreign donations from democratic nations which require the people to want to go along with this. This is just a really sloppy bit of PR propaganda designed to manufacture consent for the billions of dollars this is costing, because they think that pic will tug at the heartstrings of Americans. Sort of like when they said the Russian soldiers were taking viagra to rape 1 year old babies, it wasn't true or particularly well executed, but it did its job. It certainly wasn't an honest mistake, and I doubt this was either.

Maybe you can name me a war in the last 100 years that didn't involve massive amounts of propaganda from both sides to manufacture support from the public? Or explain why this one would be so different that you repeatedly give them the benefit of the doubt and refuse to acknowledge anything as propaganda? If Putin had done this instead of Ukraine would you still say it wasn't propaganda, or would your assumptions and standards be different based on who was doing the deed?

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

fabricating those rape horror stories about viagra and 1 year old

I don't know what incident you're referring to but - you think that because this same Ukrainian MP was wrong about some baby being raped, she therefore tried to make up for it: after seeing this kid on a Spanish book cover she thought, well this will get me back in everyone's good books...

This is just a really sloppy bit of PR propaganda designed to manufacture consent for the billions of

Really wow how did you determine that this was designed to manufacture consent instead of the simplest explanation - that she was mistaken about a photo's origins?

Maybe you can name me a war in the last 100 years that didn't involve massive amounts of propaganda from both sides to manufacture support from the public?

Well that's not the question here. The question here is - do you have enough information to conclude that this is "PR propaganda designed to manufacture consent" or are you talking out of your ass?

You have shared no additional info to the OP. There's not some extra context that you're working off. And the OP itself is actually exculpatory - why would manufactured PR propaganda reuse a Spanish textbook cover instead of touching up an ai generated photo? It just doesn't make sense

[–]Musky 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

If she's using a fake photo, seriously, why on earth wouldn't she go to any one of 500 ai image generators?

Those can be spotted as fakes.

The easiest answer to all these problems is the most likely to be true: that she just made a mistake about the photo's origins in a well-meaning tweet about the cost of war

Nah, that bitch has a history of lying. That's the easiest explanation, she's simply lying again.

I agree with one of the other commenters, your mental gymnastics are something. How do you rationalize that to yourself?

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Those can be spotted as fakes

So you think that someone decided between an ai generated photo and this Spanish book cover, and they settled on the Spanish book cover as the better deception?

Such a person would have to be ignorant of reverse image searches, or would have to be totally inexperienced in image modification. Not a state actor, not the CIA, in other words

Nah, that bitch has a history of lying.

Okay, if you have extra context please share it. Does she have a background of spreading fake images or stories like this? This would be valuable context to add to the conversation, I don't know why you haven't done that so far, if it's true that she has such a background.

your mental gymnastics are something. How do you rationalize that to yourself?

Well, help me out, explain it to me.

You believe that the CIA temporarily forgot about reverse image search and temporarily forgot how to fabricate a image? Or is it that this one woman twiiter user has a personal history of being caught lying? And what is she lying in service of - perhaps there's no artillery at all?

You claim I am doing gymnastics - okay so which is it?

[–]Musky 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

So you think that someone decided between an ai generated photo and this Spanish book cover, and they settled on the Spanish book cover as the better deception?

Obviously. A lay person can spot an AI generated pic, they're often missing bits or have artifacts a real picture would not. See as an example, the bits on the hair and ear: https://www.schoolfablab.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/000016.jpg

Such a person would have to be ignorant of reverse image searches, or would have to be totally inexperienced in image modification. Not a state actor, not the CIA, in other words

Like a woman in Ukraine spewing propaganda, yep, that's about the gist of it.

Okay, if you have extra context please share it. Does she have a background of spreading fake images or stories like this? This would be valuable context to add to the conversation, I don't know why you haven't done that so far, if it's true that she has such a background.

I'm not sure anything she's been said has been verified, take your pick of the things she says. The last whopper was child torture and rape.

You believe that the CIA temporarily

Not the CIA, backwards Ukranian pissants who aren't too savvy with their propaganda.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Obviously

What's obvious? Isn't it obvious that she was simply mistaken? Why is it obviously malicious?

I'm not sure anything she's been said has been verified, take your pick of the things she says. The last whopper was child torture and rape

Well again you're hinting that you know this woman and are familiar with her background...but instead of sharing it, its just feigned coyness from you...

Ukranian pissants who aren't too savvy with their propaganda

Propaganda that the ruzzia is shelling Ukrainian children, you mean? You're coming down and saying that that's not happening. Is that right?

[–]Musky 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

What's obvious?

Obviously in regards to this:

So you think that someone decided between an ai generated photo and this Spanish book cover, and they settled on the Spanish book cover as the better deception?

The AI pics are really easy to spot. As I said.

Well again you're hinting that you know this woman and are familiar with her background...but instead of sharing it, its just feigned coyness from you...

Why don't you go look it up for yourself, you seem to be employing a technique called sealioning. Poorly. Ask Socks for tips, he's better at it.

Propaganda that the ruzzia is shelling Ukrainian children, you mean? You're coming down and saying that that's not happening. Is that right?

No, the one about child torture and rape like I said.

I'd appreciate it if you'd take a little more time to read, and perhaps reread my messages so I don't have to simply repeat myself yet again.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Obviously in regards to this:

Okay so why is it obvious to you that someone had an ai image in one hand and the Spanish book in the other and was deciding which to use.....why is that more of an obvious scenario than the far, far simpler: she was just mistaken about the photo.

Your "obvious" scenario involves someone with a motive, malice, forethought, planning, an intention to deceive. All of these are "obvious" to you and I'm asking why, when in my eyes the far more obvious scenario is simply a mistake.

Why don't you go look it up for yourself,

Because I am not introducing her background to the conversation as an explanation for events. You are. I have no idea who this person is. You say you know her and I'm just supposed to believe your vague statements about her past misdeeds. Okay so what did she do? Did it involve deception on twitter? I'm literally asking you for the factual basis of your claims, it doesn't get any more good faith than that

appreciate it if you'd take a little more time to read, and perhaps reread my messages

Oh, excuse me mister big brain. Perhaps there are some clues buried deeply in the wild allegories you were drawing. Such a deeply meta text will be studied for centuries - I'm sure the answers are all in there and I'm just to stupid to have seen you explain your fivehead self

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Spell Russia with an S you racist fucking cracker.

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A white woman told a falsehood? It must be a day that ends in Y.

[–]weavilsatemyface 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

she just made a mistake about the photo's origins in a well-meaning tweet about the cost of war

A mistake, you say. So she just accidentally copied a screenshot of the cover of a Spanish book, and accidentally trimmed off the title and author, and then accidentally claimed it was a genuine photo of a Ukrainian child survivor of the war?

Ukraine's troll army are lazy and incompetent. Actually staging "real" fake photos would mean they have to put their laptop down, get off their couch, and go outside, maybe even into a war zone. Its much easier to just reuse photo-ops of Zelensky from 2016 and pretend that he visited the front line, post video clips from war movies, photos downloaded from the internet, etc. Why should they put more effort in? Hundreds of millions of useful idiots will believe the most obvious, transparent lies if it comes from Saint Zelensky and his cronies.

Its like spammers. They don't need to put in the work to con smart people, when for 1% of the effort needed to fool one smart person, they can fool a hundred dumb-arses.

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Yeah, a mistake. Because nobody here can explain the other side of the argument - she wants to trick you into thinking the ruzzia use explosive weaponry? Is that a trick?

So she just accidentally

We dont know what happened, you're just coming up with a fake imaginary scenario.

For all we know a bad actor sent her the pic so that she'd tweet it and discredit herself.

Ukraine's troll army are lazy and incompetent

Now you're adding a troll army to your imaginary fake scenario? It's one woman who tweeted this, not an army.

The fact that you allow yourself to add all these supplementary fake pieces to the story is pretty worrying.

get off their couch, and go outside, maybe even into a war zone

So it's a war zone outside? One in which children are magically preserved? Or is she correct that the ruzzians are destroying Ukrainian childhood

[–]weavilsatemyface 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

she wants to trick you into thinking the ruzzia use explosive weaponry

We know that Russia's military has missiles. So do the Ukrainian conscripts who get Kalibred.

For all we know a bad actor sent her the pic so that she'd tweet it and discredit herself.

Ukraine cope 11 out of 10. "Its not her fault she lied and wrote really bad propaganda, a bad man made her do it! Maybe Putin hacked her computer!"

Now you're adding a troll army to your imaginary fake scenario? It's one woman who tweeted this, not an army.

She is not the only Ukraine troll tweeting propaganda. There are thousands of official Ukrainian propagandists, useful idiots, and actual bots. Which is sometimes funny when the bots have bugs.

One in which children are magically preserved?

War is hell, but if West Ukraine didn't want war then:

  1. They shouldn't have started a civil war against Russian speakers in 2014.
  2. They should have honoured the Minsk Agreement and kept the peace treaty.
  3. They should have stopped bombing civilians in Donbass.
  4. They should have negotiated with Russia in 2021.

But they got greedy, stupid and arrogant, and now they are fucked. By the time this war is over, Ukraine will be half the size and cut off from the sea, half a million Ukrainian men will be dead, and Zelensky will have run off to America with his stolen billions.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

We know that Russia's military has missiles

Okay so what is Putin doing which prevents the missiles from hurting children? Clearly he's doing something, because you seem to know for a fact that this Ukrainian MP is one of coordinated thousands. One of thousands who all collectively forgot how reverse lookup works and who collectively forgot how to create new images using ai. An army of thousands who are trying to stop you from learning what magic Putin is casting on his missiles to make children impervious.

They shouldn't have started a civil war against Russian speakers in 2014.

Ukranians would say that the ruzzia started the war against them in 2014. And recent events convinced me they're the correct ones.

They should have honoured the Minsk Agreement and kept the peace treaty

They did...you perhaps forgot what happened on 24th Feb. What you mean is - they should have submitted to the Z

They should have stopped bombing civilians in Donbass.

You mean they should have just submitted to the Z?

They should have negotiated with Russia in 2021

Submit to the Z, you mean?

now they are fucked. By the time this war is over, Ukraine will be half the size

Are we watching the same war? Ukraine has already won it. Who is taking half of Ukraine? Certainly not the ruzzia who have just lost a war

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Okay so what is Putin doing which prevents the missiles from hurting children?

Aiming them at military targets, not civilians. Even West Ukraine has not started shipping children to the front line as human shields (although I see that they are now drafting boys as young as 16.)

It is a war. Even in the most careful war, there are civilian casualties, but compared to West Ukraine which routinely fires unguided artillery shells into villages and towns in Donbas, and drops banned petal mines in civilian areas, Russia has so far been amazingly restrained and careful. They have been more restrained than the Americans were in Iraq. No drone attacks on wedding parties.

Russia is not soft but they are fair and are not deliberately targeting non-combatants. (Stalin is rolling in his grave.) When it comes to open battle, they have been smashing the West Ukrainian forces. And when the West Ukrainians hide inside theatres, nursing homes, shopping centres and other civilian buildings, by the international rules of war that makes them a legitimate target and the Russians have not hesitated to take them out. Any civilians casualties are on the West Ukrainians who use them as human shields. But beyond that, they are not targeting civilians.

Ukranians would say that the ruzzia started the war against them in 2014.

Yes, but West Ukrainians also said that Russia would run out of fuel in less than three weeks, that the Ghost of Kiev shot down their airforce, that the Russian soldiers would all desert and run away within the month, and that they would run out of missiles and tanks in days. Zelensky claimed that an old woman shot down a Russian drone with a can of tomato soup. West Ukraine's propaganda is written for children by idiots.

The 2014 revolution was a CIA coup. The Maidan massacre was committed by far-right militia, and the new government immediately turned on the East Ukrainians. Whatever the rights or wrongs of the occupation of Crimea, even Wikipedia has had to admit that the majority of Crimeans supported the 2014 referendum and wanted the central Ukrainian government to accept it. The UN considers that the right to self-determination is a universal human right, and that was the reasoning behind NATO attacking Serbia to guarantee Kosovo's independence. The same applies to Crimea. They are Russians, culturally, genetically and politically.

West Ukraine will never take Crimea or Donbas back, but even if they managed it by some miracle or treachery, they would have to rule it as a hostile occupying power.

Since 2014, the Ukrainian central government has persecuted Russian-speakers, leading to the civil war in Donbas. In February 2014 a majority of people in Donbas preferred unity with the Ukrainian central government. Even if you think the voting in May was untrustworthy, there is no doubt at all that after eight years of unrelenting attacks and the most horrific brutality from neo-Nazis like Azov and the feared Пра́вий се́ктор (Pravyi Sektor, Right Sector), that the people of Donetsk and Luhansk have no wish to remain in Ukraine and overwhelmingly support Russia.

West Ukraine has nobody but themselves to blame for this. All they needed to do was guarantee the rights of East Ukrainians of Russian ancestry, remain officially neutral between NATO and Russia, and clamp down on violence from the neo-Nazis, and they could have continued looting the country as the most corrupt nation in Europe without a war.

But they thought that NATO would protect them, they thought they could threaten Russia's security without consequences. They fucked around and now they're finding out. They have already lost a quarter of the country, they will be lucky if they don't lose another quarter, including Odessa, and end up land-locked.

They should have honoured the Minsk Agreement and kept the peace treaty

They did...

They did not. West Ukraine has never honoured the Minsk agreement and ceasefire. For some time they reduced their levels of attacks, but not to zero.

You surely remember that West Ukraine started shelling Donbas again, in mid-Feb 2022, before the Russian invasion? It was all over the news! Nah, I kid, the western press doesn't report things like that any more. That would have muddied the waters from their "Russia Bad" propaganda.

I say "again", but they had never really stopped. Nevertheless, in Feb 2022 they increased from an average of 1 or 2 hundred ceasefire violations a day to over 3000. Given that Zelensky had just publicly stated that they would no longer accept the Minsk accords, it is almost certain that Ukraine was planning a major attack on Donbas, and the Russians knew it.

We have since learned from former Chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkel, and confirmed by former French President François Hollande, that NATO never intended Minsk to be an actual peace, just a delaying tactic to put Russia off guard. This is why the West never pulled Ukraine up on their almost constant ceasefire violations. The Minsk Agreement was not meant to bring peace to Donbas, but to just give Ukraine time to arm up and destroy them.

Putin genuinely seemed shocked. I think he genuinely believed that even though Merkel was on Ukraine's side their commitment to the peace process was genuine. I think it will be very hard for NATO and Ukraine to convince Putin to accept anything less than complete and overwhelming victory after their treachery regarding Minsk.

you perhaps forgot what happened on 24th Feb. What you mean is - they should have submitted to the Z

As I said, all they needed to do was guarantee the rights of East Ukrainians, control the neo-Nazis thugs, and remain neutral between NATO and Russia. The first part is just common human decency. The second and third were just common sense.

What they did instead was try to ethnically cleanse Russians and East Ukrainians, give the neo-Nazis free reign and integrate them with the army, and tried to threaten Russia's very existence by joining the NATO encirclement. They fucked around and now they're finding out that America and NATO consider them disposable pawns, and Russia is a bear, not a pussy.

They should have stopped bombing civilians in Donbass.

You mean they should have just submitted to the Z?

If you think that not murdering civilians is "submitting to the Z", then you are part of the problem, and that attitude is why Ukraine is going to be smashed by Russia and eaten alive by American and German corporations in the aftermath.

I feel great sorrow for the Ukrainian people. Most of them do not deserve the corrupt and stupid leaders they have got. I even feel sorry for Zelensky, who actually tried to do the right thing, but didn't have the guts to stand up to Azov when they threatened him. He's just a greedy, corrupt TV comedian but once upon a time he actually did try to bring the neo-Nazis to heel. Now he sucks their dicks and hopes that they won't do to him what they did in the 1940s.

It is the lot of all small and weak countries that they have to compromise with large powerful neighbours, and not pick a fight with them. Ukraine could have stayed neutral. They could have even done what Finland did, and have a defence treaty with NATO that allowed NATO to defend them in the event of Russian aggression, without being part of NATO and their aggressive encirclement of Russia. But they could no more expect to join NATO and allow NATO nukes into the country, than Mexico could invite China to install nukes a few miles from the USA. When you are the neighbour of a Great Power like the US or Russia, you can be their friend, or you can be neutral, but it is foolish to threaten their security and pick a fight with them.

Ukraine has already won it. Who is taking half of Ukraine?

West Ukraine has already lost control of about a third of the country. If West Ukraine has won, who just surrounded Soledar? Who controls Mariupol? Who has established a land corridor to Crimea?

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I now fucking hate Ukrainians. I hate them just like I hate the Germans, and for the same reasons.

And until you end this illegal immoral imperialist terrorist white supremacist war for oil against a sovereign Asian nation that is 100% responsible for the defeat of Adolf Hitler, then I also hate Americans.

[–]weavilsatemyface 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Ukrainian regime is a corrupt, criminal organisation that has willingly climbed into bed with outright nazis. But the real villains are NATO and the Americans, who are pulling the strings and keeping the war going. Ukraine would have collapsed in a week if not for them.

Most Ukrainians are just ordinary people: foolish and ignorant and easily mislead. Just like the rest of us. Yes, even me: I have been fooled in the past and I will be fooled in the future (but hopefully not as often, or as easily). I do not blame them for rallying around the flag, even if the people waving the flag are criminals.

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Stop pretending you care about a bunch of racist homophobic uKKKranianazi cracker brats when you would gladly abort them if they were American and of color.

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

War is only hell for those who stand in the way of people of color (i.e. Russia) taking back what the Aryan menace (i.e. those dirty filthy fucking disgusting vile uKKKranianazi scum) stole from us.

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Spell Russia with an S you fucking racist cracker.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

She gave the kid's name and backstory and said 'pictured' you kike fed

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yeah, she did, now complete the thought - did she do it because no artillery is actually being used around children, or was she just mistaken. Or did she do it because you're unable to type without childish hateful virtue signalling to your nazi catboy discord buttboys

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you deserve all of the hate, you liar and propagandist

[–]JewsAreOfColor 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nazis are for punching and that goes double for uKKKranianazis.

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Shut up racist cracker and stop defending neo-Nazi terrorists. I really hope you get raped and beaten by a Black man like you deserve for being a racist fucking cracker and for defending war crimes by neo-Nazis against people of color. That’s what everyone who fucking defends uKKKranianazi war crimes against the great Russian people fucking deserves.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

😮

[–]JewsAreOfColor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The more you pull the “think of the children“ fallacy, the more you are trying to cover up for your pedophilia in addition to your white supremacy and homophobia. Russians are not white like your shitty racist homophobic pedo terrorist ass, so anybody who opposes their liberation of the Donbass is a white supremacist.