My parents forced me to get the covid vaccine

submitted by Solus from self.whatever

(This isn't really my main account decided to make an alt account to protect my privacy.)

I already know about the covid scam: the lies behind the masks, lockdowns covid "deaths", censorship, are really just a boogeyman to cover up intentions for totalitarian control. The experimental, rushed mRNA covid vaccines being pushed onto the population.

As soon as I tried to even bring up even one of these topics, I get gaslighted as some "conspiracy theorist" talking about "misinformation", in some cases I'd get screamed at. My parents are also the same people who constantly recite mainstream media articles like Gospel.

Even worse is that I'm completely alone in this, I don't have any family members or even any friends who share similar viewpoints. I've tried to resist, warn them about the vaccines and everything but I ended up having both of the covid shots anyways. At this point I don't think there's much of anything I can do, just hope the vaccine doesn't give me a stroke at 30 or something.

Even with all of this I still have sympathy; my parents love me and have done more for me than I could ever imagine, but the media propaganda machine has consumed them whole.

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    [–]Solus[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    How old are you?

    I'm 16

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      [–]TulipPoplar 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I'm sure there was more he could have done to avoid it, but there is no protection against forced vaccination for minors if their parents approve. It is completely legal for your parents to drag you into the building and hold you down for any medical treatment.

      Currently the system is in favor of whatever treatment a doctor will agree to. A minors consent only matters if the parents consent cannot be obtained.

      [–]Noam_Chomsky 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      as you say you are

      [–]skeeter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      enjoy what is remaining of your life. the good news is that you wont be able to have kids.

      [–]ActuallyNot 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (33 children)

      The experimental, rushed mRNA covid vaccines being pushed onto the population.

      There was a rush to get the vaccines to market because there's a pandemic going on.

      But the experiments were done. The mRNA vaccines have complications in fewer than 1 in a million. And they protect from CoVID, which can destroy organs.

      They're not 100% without side effects, sometimes serious, but they're a good vaccine. Relax and revel in your increased immunity.

      [–]skeeter 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      The mRNA vaccines have complications in fewer than 1 in a million.

      i do not think that is correct. for example, i was recently listening to two young females that did not know each other discussing how one had developed blood clots and the other had an aneurism..

      that doesnt sound like one in a million odds.

      people are spreading positive statistics about the vax that are not true.

      [–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      for example, i was recently listening to two young females that did not know each other discussing how one had developed blood clots and the other had an aneurism..

      that doesnt sound like one in a million odds.

      There have been 348 million vaccine doses given in the USA. So if two people were discussing possible side-effects that may or may not be related to a vaccine that may or may not have been an mRNA one, it doesn't really contradict the 1 in a million figure.

      You need statistically significantly more than 348 people. And you need to show that the aneurysm and the blood clots did occur. And you need to show that they occurred statistically significantly more than the background rate for aneurysms and blood clots.

      Overheard conversations aren't good for that, because you don't really get a sense of how many people haven't had symptoms, as not overhearing a conversation isn't evidence that they don't have symptoms, and you don't really have a sense of how many people you didn't overhear having a conversation about side-effects.

      It's better to get a group of people who've had the vaccine, and see how many get blood clots and aneurysms compared to the background rate.

      [–]TheJamesRocket 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

      But experiments were done.

      Thats not good enough. These vaccines are being administered to over a billion people around the world. If they are anything less than 100% safe, then the consequences will be catastrophic. None of the vaccines have received FDA approval: They have only received emergency use approval.

      The mRNA vaccines have complications in fewer than 1 in a million.

      This is complete and total bullshit. Not only is the rate of 'complications' vastly higher than what you imply, but the rate of DEATHS from these complications is much higher too. At this point, 48% of the U.S. population has been vaccinated, thats roughly 156 million people. We now know that there have been at least 45,000 deaths that can be attributed to complications from the vaccines. That means that the odds of DYING from the vaccine are roughly 1 in 3500. Thats an enormously higher rate than what you claimed even for complications (let alone deaths). Those are the facts.

      Anyone who is promoting blind acceptance of the vaccines is an accomplice to medical homicide.

      [–]ActuallyNot 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

      If they are anything less than 100% safe, then the consequences will be catastrophic.

      You've got a strange understanding of "catastrophic" if you think a 99.99995% safe vaccine counts.

      None of the vaccines have received FDA approval: They have only received emergency use approval.

      That's because the health and economic consequences of CoVID are catastrophic.

      at least 45,000 deaths that can be attributed to complications from the vaccines.

      No, one guy has sworn under penalty of purgery that there have been at least 45,000 deaths.

      He's wrong. That would be one death in every 3,500 jabs. The 44,000 participants in the phase 3 trials would should have resulted in 12 deaths if that was correct. In fact no serious safety concerns were observed in trial participants up to six months after the second dose.

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        [–]AcceleratedWallops 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        I take it you were fortunate enough to not know anyone who died of covid. You should not downplay the health risks.

        I will agree about the transfer of wealth. Our two lovely corporatist parties handled this exactly as the lobbyists told them to, and now Bezos has a spaceship.

        [–]Yin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Total excess death rates of the US population are within reasonable ranges/expectations. The people I know and how they died is private. I know people who've died of many things including bullets. Yet I defend the 2nd Amendment to the bitter end and would find it no more logical to give up my guns than to give up kitchen knives over some thug's knife crimes. I don't base my life and what's best for America on globalist propaganda hysteria. I base it on truth and reason. The vast majority of deaths are the elderly population and there are better ways to handle this. It's nothing short of war-crimes in my view to push this agenda on to kids and the rest of society. It is literally enabling tyrants.

        [–]AcceleratedWallops 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Total excess death rates of the US population are within reasonable ranges/expectations

        Umm.. no? Check your information bro.

        The vast majority of deaths are the elderly population

        So just fuck them, I guess?

        It is literally enabling tyrants.

        No, "literally enabling tyrants" is allowing police to continue murdering Americans, breaking into houses, destroying property, stealing--I mean "seizing"--assets, shooting the family labrador, and tasering elderly until they have a stroke.

        But I'm guessing you have no problem with the "Thin Blue Line" flag and hate BLM, because you fit the right-wing propaganda mold so well it's like you were made with a cookie cutter.

        [–]H3v8 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        I take it you were fortunate enough to not know anyone who died of covid. You should not downplay the health risks.

        I knew people who caught a cold and were basically left without medicine so they would eventually die of "covid".

        [–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Sure buddy

        [–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        You've got a strange understanding of "catastrophic" if you think a 99.99995% safe vaccine counts.

        No. Thats not how it works. Vaccines need to be completely safe to a statistically arbitrary margin, because they will be administered to hundreds of millions of people. If they are anything less than 100% safe, then they will end up killings tens of thousands of people, as the covid vaccines are now doing.

        You lack a sense of scale for what is being discussed here. In the past, vaccines have been suspended for causing dozens of deaths. But now, we are talking about a vaccine that has caused orders of magnitudes more deaths, but has still not been suspended. Oh, and your math is wrong too. The vaccine is not 99.99995% safe, as you falsely claim. In point of fact, you have a 99.972% chance of not DYING from the covid vaccine.

        And remember, the safety of a vaccine IS NOT commensurate with the odds of not dying from it: The safety of a vaccine is commensurate with the odds of not developing any health complications. Your idea of 'safety' bares no resemblance to the medical guidelines that the FDA works by. Your idea of safety is more akin to a Medieval doctor chopping off the arms of his patient and hoping for the best.

        That's because the health and economic consequences of CoVID are catastrophic.

        No. The health and economic consequences of LOCKDOWNS are catastrophic. They have led to thousands of small businesses going bankrupt, because they were forced to lockdown while the megacorporations were allowed to stay open for business. They have resulted in countless numbers of people dying from suicide, drug overdoses, and untreated medical emergencys. The lockdowns were only meant to last for two weeks, but instead, they were extended again and again indefinitely. Most of the world has been in lockdown for over a year. The consequences of that are incalculable.

        One guy has sworn under penalty of purgery that there have been at least 45,000 deaths.

        This whistleblower saw the numbers of adverse reactions on the VAERS, and he testified to what he saw. Keep in mind, those were the numbers on just one VAERS system, there are several different VAERS systems in use.

        The 44,000 participants in the phase 3 trials would should have resulted in 12 deaths if that was correct.

        Even if we take those results at face value, it doesn't mean much. Do you know what the difference is between a trial and the real world? In trials, they use healthy patients to experiment on. In the real world, there are people with serious health problems taking the vaccine. They have been pressured into it by a 24/7 media blitz on television and the internet. This would not be happening under normal circumstances. It is gross medical malpractise on an international scale.

        [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        No. Thats not how it works.

        So a catastrophe would be if one person in 8 billion has some temporary neurological side effect?

        If they are anything less than 100% safe, then they will end up killings tens of thousands of people,

        It would need to be less than 99.99975% fatal if you want to vaccinate 8 billion people and still kill 20 thousand.

        , as the covid vaccines are now doing.

        Right. But that's bullshit isn't it.

        In the past, vaccines have been suspended for causing dozens of deaths.

        For instance?

        But now, we are talking about a vaccine that has caused orders of magnitudes more deaths, but has still not been suspended.

        So one of the points that we disagree on is this number of deaths due to the vaccine. How many are you claiming, and what is the source?

        The vaccine is not 99.99995% safe, as you falsely claim.

        I didn't actually claim that. I gave an example of a safety that is less than 100%, and would be not catastrophic.

        But it is the half a person in every million. If you think that's wrong, show me what you think is right, and the source.

        The health and economic consequences of LOCKDOWNS are catastrophic.

        The lockdown was fine for health. The suicide rate disappeared. The road toll disappeared. CoVID deaths were limited.

        They have resulted in countless numbers of people dying from suicide, drug overdoses, and untreated medical emergencys.

        You're mistaken about suicides. Suicides decreased by almost 6 percent last year during the COVID-19 pandemic, the sharpest drop in 4 decades.

        You're correct about drug overdoses, and you're likely correct about medical emergencies.

        Keep in mind, those were the numbers on just one VAERS system

        Also keep in mind VAERS is not evidence. It doesn't attribute any side effect to the vaccine. It is merely a vaccine reality show where members of the public vote for their favourite side effect.

        To look at if any of those are attributable to the vaccine, you need to look more closely. Or compare vaccinated and unvaccinated groups of a decent size.

        Even if we take those results at face value, it doesn't mean much.

        That would be more sensible that taking VAERS reports at face value.

        In trials, they use healthy patients to experiment on.

        Certainly if you have allergies or immune disorders, check with your GP before getting the vaccine.

        [–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        For instance?

        In 1976, the U.S. government vaccinated an estimated 45 million people against pandemic swine flu. The 1976 pandemic swine flu mass vaccination campaign was canceled after 53 people died. Pandemrix (for the the 2009 flu pandemic) was pulled because it caused ~1500 cases of narcolepsy. Rotoshield was pulled after it caused an modest increase in the risk of intususseption in infants. The Dengvaxia rollout in the Philippines ended in controversy because it contributed to the deaths of a few hundred kids.

        So a catastrophe would be if one person in 8 billion has some temporary neurological side effect?

        You have a special talent for grossly distorting what other people say, to the point it no longer even resembles the original comment. I was (and still am) talking about the situation in the United States today, where hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated, and tens of thousands of people have died as a result. If you extrapolate those numbers to the world stage, then the death toll is going to be much larger. This is not some hypothetical, it is what is actually happening right now, because the vaccines are not safe. You look like a complete buffoon, by talking about a hypothetical vaccine with a death rate of 1 in 8 billion, as opposed to the real vaccines which have a death rate of 1 in 3500.

        It would need to be less than 99.99975% fatal if you want to vaccinate 8 billion people and still kill 20 thousand.

        Oh my god, how can you be this stupid? I was specifically talking about the United States, not the entire world! Did you completely miss the part where I said that 48% of the U.S. population has been vaccinated (roughly 156 million people), and that there have been at least 45,000 deaths from the vaccines? How can you be so clueless as to think that I was talking about the entire world? Your numbers are based on a complete fiction of your own making, especially since the entire world hasn't even been vaccinated yet! You are a MORON.

        [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        You have a special talent for grossly distorting what other people say, to the point it no longer even resembles the original comment.

        You said: "If they are anything less than 100% safe, then the consequences will be catastrophic."

        100% safe would be 0 medically significant side effects amongst 8,000,000,000 people wouldn't it?

        Anything less than 100% would be anything more than 0. Including 1.

        What have I misunderstood?

        I was (and still am) talking about the situation in the United States today, where hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated, and tens of thousands of people have died as a result.

        Nope. There are reports on VAERS. That does not mean or even imply that that many have died as a result of the vaccination.

        as opposed to the real vaccines which have a death rate of 1 in 3500.

        The stage three trials were 0 deaths in 44,000. And 0 serious safety concerns. Your source for this 1 in 3500 is from one guys interpretation of VAERS, which requires a misunderstanding of what VAERS is. That's a reporting system by the public. Even assuming that there aren't dozens of anti-vaxers making up reports, they will include a lot of post-hoc effects that are not related to the vaccine.

        Oh my god, how can you be this stupid? I was specifically talking about the United States, not the entire world!

        Oh, pardon me. I'd forgotten that America is the only country getting vaccinated. I will restrict my discussion to the only 4% of the world that we clearly should be talking about.

        Did you completely miss the part where I said that 48% of the U.S. population has been vaccinated (roughly 156 million people), and that there have been at least 45,000 deaths from the vaccines?

        No, I responded to it.

        Right. But that's bullshit isn't it.

        Also keep in mind VAERS is not evidence. It doesn't attribute any side effect to the vaccine. It is merely a vaccine reality show where members of the public vote for their favourite side effect.

        To look at if any of those are attributable to the vaccine, you need to look more closely. Or compare vaccinated and unvaccinated groups of a decent size.

        The question you missed:

        In the past, vaccines have been suspended for causing dozens of deaths.

        For instance?

        [–]TheJamesRocket 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        You said: "If they are anything less than 100% safe, then the consequences will be catastrophic."

        100% safe would be 0 medically significant side effects amongst 8,000,000,000 people wouldn't it? Anything less than 100% would be anything more than 0. Including 1.

        How about no? ''Anything less than 100% safe'' includes a huge range of numbers, from 99.99% safe, all the way down to 0.01% safe. You can run those numbers to as many decimal places as you want, and the basic conclusion is still the same. When you have a vaccine thats being administered to billions of people, anything less than 100% would be a catastrophe.

        The problem is that you are deliberately being obnoxious and refusing to concede an obvious point. You don't want to acknowledge the truth, so instead, you create a red herring. You speculate about a hypothetical vaccine that is 99.99++++++++% safe in order to try and invalidate my point. This is not only petty and dishonest, but it is completely irrelevant because we know from the VAERS database that the covid vaccine is nowhere near as safe as this. We're not arguing about your bullshit hypothetical vaccines, we're arguing about a real life vaccine that is killing huge numbers of people. Pull your head out of your ass!

        Nope. There are reports on VAERS. That does not mean or even imply that that many have died as a result of the vaccination.

        Wrong. Here is a quote from the article I linked to: ''Allegedly, the whistleblower stated that there are around 11 VAERS systems reporting adverse reactions and deaths across the US, and one system alone has allegedly has reported the shocking 45,000 deaths from the Covid jabs. However, Renz believes that this number is “immensely higher” and is calling for immediate investigations into the VAERS system.''

        The stage three trials were 0 deaths in 44,000. And 0 serious safety concerns.

        I've already went over this, and why it doesn't mean much. To repeat myself: ''In trials, they use healthy patients to experiment on. In the real world, there are people with serious health problems taking the vaccine.''

        Your source for this 1 in 3500 is from one guys interpretation of VAERS, which requires a misunderstanding of what VAERS is.

        There are several different sources indicating a high number of deaths from the covid vaccine in the U.S. The VAERS whistleblower reported at least 45,000 deaths. The CDC also reported 12,313 deaths on their website, before they hastily edited that number down to 6079 deaths.

        No, I responded to it.

        No, you didn't. You were babbling on about your hypothetical case where 8 billion people have been vaccinated and only 20,000 have died as a result. Because it had completely escaped your notice that I was talking about the United States and the 45,000 people who have died from the covid vaccine.

        The question you missed:

        In the past, vaccines have been suspended for causing dozens of deaths.

        For instance?

        Are you blind as well as stupid? I already answer that question in my last post. Go back and read it. I am getting very tired of having to repeat myself because of your bad reading comprehension.

        [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        How about no? ''Anything less than 100% safe'' includes a huge range of numbers, from 99.99% safe, all the way down to 0.01% safe.

        Surely 99.999% safe is also less than 100% safe.

        Did you mean "Anything less than 99.99% safe"?

        When you have a vaccine thats being administered to billions of people

        To quote your good self: Oh my god, how can you be this stupid? I was specifically talking about the United States, not the entire world!

        How many people do you think are in the United States?

        anything less than 100% would be a catastrophe.

        So again, you claim that even as little as one medially serious incident every 330,000,000 doses would be a catastrophe.

        Most people wouldn't call that a catastrophe.

        The problem is that you are deliberately being obnoxious and refusing to concede an obvious point.

        Not at all. It is not necessary for any medical intervention to be 100% safe. So long as it is safer than not doing the intervention, it isn't contraindicated.

        Surgery has a risk. Antibiotics have a risk. Going to the gym has risks. They are a good idea (for things that they treat) if they are less risky than not doing them. The demand for them to be 100% safe is not the test for whether they should be done.

        we know from the VAERS database that the covid vaccine is nowhere near as safe as this

        As I have made clear above, the VAERS database cannot determine how safe the vaccine is, because it includes anything people send in. They are not attributable to the vaccine. It is only useful as an indicator of what effect we should consider looking for in a controlled study.

        Here is a quote from the article I linked to: ''Allegedly, the whistleblower stated that there are around 11 VAERS systems reporting adverse reactions and deaths across the US, and one system alone has allegedly has reported the shocking 45,000 deaths from the Covid jabs. However, Renz believes that this number is “immensely higher” and is calling for immediate investigations into the VAERS system.''

        I agree that that quote is in the article. My point is that claim is wrong, and not supported by plausible data.

        https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/22/instagram-posts/no-evidence-45000-deaths-covid-19-vaccines/

        https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/45000-people-die-covid-19-vaccine/

        ''In trials, they use healthy patients to experiment on. In the real world, there are people with serious health problems taking the vaccine.''

        I responded to this already: If you have allergies or immune disorders, check with your GP before getting the vaccine.

        The CDC also reported 12,313 deaths on their website, before they hastily edited that number down to 6079 deaths.

        VAERS is unreliable as a count of deaths. Certainly as a count of deaths due to the vaccine.

        If the numbers range about they could be cleaning up reports from antivax bots, or it could be a typo. But it doesn't make any material difference to the guidelines for who should not be vaccinated, because it's an open reporting system, not a controlled study.

        Because it had completely escaped your notice that I was talking about the United States and the 45,000 people who have died from the covid vaccine.

        Let me show you my response again:

        Also keep in mind VAERS is not evidence. It doesn't attribute any side effect to the vaccine. It is merely a vaccine reality show where members of the public vote for their favourite side effect.

        To look at if any of those are attributable to the vaccine, you need to look more closely. Or compare vaccinated and unvaccinated groups of a decent size.

        Are you blind as well as stupid?

        Sorry I couldn't see where you named some vaccines that have been suspended for causing dozens of deaths. Would you mind showing me the paragraph?

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

        This except

        but they're a good vaccine.

        Shit don't work against the delta variant and we don't know the long term effects. Overall though it seems to be mostly harmless.

        [–]TheJamesRocket 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        In fact, the delta variant may be a byproduct of the vaccine itself.

        [–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        S D Wells needs to settle down and take his meds.

        edit: Oh dear, Wells' real name is Sean David Cohen. Cue the Zionist conspiracy nutjobs claiming that these anti-vax views are part of a jewish conspiracy to take over the world by killing everyone with CoVID.

        [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        Shit don't work against the delta variant

        It's a little bit less effective, but it still works. The Pfizer is about 88% effective after 2 doses against delta, and 94% against the original.

        With the BNT162b2 vaccine, the effectiveness of two doses was 93.7% (95% CI, 91.6 to 95.3) among persons with the alpha variant and 88.0% (95% CI, 85.3 to 90.1) among those with the delta variant.

        we don't know the long term effects

        I guess. Nor of CoVID infection. But death's a much more likely short term effect:

        The family of a 28-year-old anti-vaxxer who died from Covid have revealed how he regretted not getting vaccinated in his final days in an ICU unit, and admitted that it was “not a hoax”.

        A California man who mocked Covid-19 vaccines on social media has died after a month-long battle with the virus.

        The founder of the multinational Hillsong Church told CNN that COVID-19 vaccines are a "personal decision for each individual to make with the counsel of medical professionals" after a congregant who publicly refused inoculation died of complications from the disease.

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        The Pfizer is about 88% effective after 2 doses against delta, and 94% against the original.

        That's bullshit, there's no way they could know that. Pharm companies lie like dogs. My wife does covid tests as part of her job. I don't think it matters if you're vaccinated as far as catching the delta variant. It might help reduce the severity of the symptoms. We won't know for sure but we're gonna find out.

        Your links suck btw, makes me question your critical thinking skills if you think showing any outlier is representative of the whole.

        [–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        That's bullshit, there's no way they could know that.

        Well i linked to the paper.

        Your links suck btw

        The New England Journal of Medicine is a top 5 medical journal. At the moment probably the second most prestigious medial journal in the world. The don't have to publish papers that suck. They can pick and choose.

        If you think there's something wrong with the methodology, be specific about what. If you think there are other papers of higher quality showing a lower effectiveness of the vaccine against delta, show me a few of those papers.

        My wife does covid tests as part of her job. I don't think it matters if you're vaccinated as far as catching the delta variant.

        Okay, I linked to a scholarly paper where they looked at the effect of the vaccines on Covid variants based on tens of thousands of people.

        Your claim is "I don't think it matters". Based on what your wife does as part of her job.

        And you question my critical thinking skills?

        Everyone else is questioning your critical thinking skills, and what you think is evidence.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Well i linked to the paper.

        I know, did you read the methodology? You can't just blindly accept these things. There's a problem replicating a lot of the results of scientific papers.

        The New England Journal of Medicine

        Let me find a bad one, put on your stop watch. Oh, hit a pay wall after two articles.

        Your claim is "I don't think it matters". Based on what your wife does as part of her job

        Because this has become a highly politicized issue and frankly they think, and they're probably right, that people are too stupid to be given all the facts and be allowed to make their own decisions.

        So yeah, I believe real data from the source.

        [–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        A vaccinated person has less risk of getting the delta variant than getting the flu.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        I'm sure you've seen today's news.

        [–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I guess not. What is this in reference to?

        [–]H3v8 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        The mRNA vaccines have complications in fewer than 1 in a million.

        That would mean there would be a death per million of vaccinated. Every day we have a few vax-related deaths in a country with about 6 millions vaccinated. That proves your statistics are in need of adjustment.

        [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Every day we have a few vax-related deaths in a country with about 6 millions vaccinated.

        Curious...

        Which country?

        How are the deaths attributed to the vaccine?

        Which vaccine?

        Australia has had about that many vaccinated, mostly with AZ, which is less safe than the mRNA vaccines, and has only had 2 vaccine related deaths.

        [–]H3v8 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        In Greece.

        A few days ago, a young man only 35 years old died because his father forced him to take the vaccine. The hospital said he died of 'the virus', his father was present at the moment of his death and said it was cardiac arrest. Now the father says he is so sorry because he led his son to his death. Here is the article.

        Here are articles about people who died during the last few days after the vax, text is not in English but you can see photos of the victims as well:

        https://deltio11.blogspot.com/2021/07/blog-post_314.html

        https://deltio11.blogspot.com/2021/07/blog-post_703.html

        https://deltio11.blogspot.com/2021/07/blog-post_583.html

        http://www.press-gr.com/2021/08/59.html

        https://deltio11.blogspot.com/2021/07/blog-post_688.html

        [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        The hospital said he died of 'the virus', his father was present at the moment of his death and said it was cardiac arrest.

        Plausibly both. What was the deceased name?

        https://deltio11.blogspot.com/2021/07/blog-post_314.html

        https://deltio11.blogspot.com/2021/07/blog-post_703.html

        https://deltio11.blogspot.com/2021/07/blog-post_583.html

        http://www.press-gr.com/2021/08/59.html

        https://deltio11.blogspot.com/2021/07/blog-post_688.html

        These are claims that deaths are vaccine related. The US seems to get that a lot too.

        [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

        I don't have any family members or even any friends who share similar viewpoints.

        You're in the wrong herd of cow-people. Find a place with people who aren't literally goyim, and have functioning brains. Although it's a little late now, this is probably not the last of it.

        [–]Solus[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

        Where do you even find those people? It seems that everywhere I go, I'm surrounded by people who are essentially zombies unable to think for themselves.

        [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Unfortunately, the base cause of this problem is the nature of our species itself. Only a small fraction are functional. The rest are the evil overlords, and the vast herds of cow-people.

        The fringes of society is where you'll find the core of dissidents, and those who think differently from "the norm". People literally in society can have varying levels of antipathy towards the evil and stupidity, but they are tolerating and working with it.

        It would be easier to just pretend to go along. The downside is you begin to allow them to shape your thinking and beliefs.

        Practically, I can't tell you where or how to find non-zombies in your area, especially since you still live with your parents. Just keep talking to people you meet and remember to keep your power level under wraps if you're in one of those 'snitch' states.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        What node node said isnt 100% true. There a plenty of people who value truth but tolerate society because its that or be lumped with the fringe elements. My advice is just stay true to yourself and realize that 99% of the people you know will forever have their head in the sand. We live in a society filled with trauma and that trauma is being acted out subconsously. It's better to have one real friend then 50 fake ones.

        [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        There a plenty of people who value truth but tolerate society because its that or be lumped with the fringe elements.

        Was this supposed to disagree with my statement quoted below?

        People literally in society can have varying levels of antipathy towards the evil and stupidity, but they are tolerating and working with it. [because its that or be lumped with the fringe elements.]

        I didn't include the excuse in the original. Does their reasoning matter?

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        Yea you are an absolutist and that leads to fanaticism. Im offering similar advice but without the despair and anger. The world isnt black or white.

        [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Yea you are an absolutist and that leads to fanaticism.

        You don't have anything that you absolutely reject?

        As for the "despair and anger", I'm not sure where you're getting that. Is it because I'm not entertaining a fantasy about what's possible?

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Yea I reject absolutism absolutely.

        [–]skeeter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        this kid got off easy, my parents used to force me to suck off our rottweiler.

        [–]GST893 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Sounds like a bs story meant to blackpill others into believing that resistance is futile.

        [–]jw329 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        You shouldn't worry about 1 vaccine. Since they want people to get several vaccines per year then i might start worrying about whats in the vaccine.

        Not easy when you are young. But you should of put up a fight and if they kick you out then let them. You gotta be a man. Parents will fuck you over even if you are their own blood. Look at britney spears.

        In this world you fight along sides people with the same values and not the same blood

        [–]zyxzevn🐈‍⬛ 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        Get Ivermectin to reduce side-effects.
        Most side-effects come from the spike-protein.
        There are also some natural remedies, like Dandelion root or Pine needle tea (care to pick the right pine-needles).
        https://saidit.net/s/VaccineSkepticism/comments/82zw/common_dandelion_taraxacum_officinale_efficiently/

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Doesn't dandelion root give you the turbo shits?

        [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        Be careful. There's people who profit from the sale of Ivermectin, and they've been publishing things that are just plain made up.

        https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns

        Dandelion root or Pine needle tea

        Really? What's the active ingredient in those that cures CoVID?

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          [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Probably vitamin A and D. Maybe throw in some zinc. Fine for mild to moderate covid, but if it gets on top of you bad enough, you're toast.

          That can't make a difference unless, for some reason, you're insufficient in vitamin A and D ... and possibly zinc.

          Which is likely for vitamin D, because modern society. But most people don't need A and zinc supplementation.

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            [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Thanks I'll watch the video when I've got an hour.

            Youtube is poorly controlled for information/misinformation, but Medcram has some videos that are highly regarded as far as youtube goes.

            How Coronavirus Kills: Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) & Treatment and Coronavirus Epidemic Update 34: US Cases Surge, Chloroquine & Zinc Treatment Combo, Italy Lockdown in particular were rated as 66 out of a possible 75 for content quality by a couple of medical students in this paper.

            I guess being sick tends to burn up those nutrients dealing with the virus.

            Absolutely.

            As blogged in Science Based Medicine, so too does other things that increase the severity of CoVID. Old age, chronic disease, being black, which confounds the relationship between vitamin d insufficiency and covid severity, on top of the sickness burning up those nutrients, making it difficult to identify whether the Vitamin d insufficiency causes more severe CoVID or if the causality is the other way around.

            [–]H3v8 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Pine needle tea (care to pick the right pine-needles).

            You can buy it in capsules from the local pharmacy store.

            [–]package 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

            Protip: 1) get job 2) acquire financial independence 3) be respectful to parents even though they no longer have power over you 4) success and happiness achieved

            [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

            #1 should be as temporary as possible, if it's even necessary.

            [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

            Wut?

            [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Employees tend to be paid servants to more successful people, and there's often a parent/child relationship. Competent people would ideally avoid lowering themselves to that level.

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              [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Last 50 years not 5

              [–][deleted]  (14 children)

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                [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

                Does that actually pay well, or is it more on the scale of being paid to watch online ads?

                [–][deleted]  (12 children)

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                  [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

                  You've been watching too much state propaganda. I had the flu about 7 years ago, and don't plan on getting it again. While it's very unlikely, I did get some ivermectin in case the coof does come for me.

                  There was a compilation of links to studies around the world on ivermectin, and they all showed it absolutely destroying the cold and flu virus. Same is happening with current treatments. The flu does kill tens of thousands every year, so the susceptible shouldn't take it lightly.

                  That doesn't mean people should get injected with poison that kills a huge percentage of injectees.

                  :D Survival of the fittest, it is a bitch.

                  Really, the maskers and vaxxers deserve their fate, and we'll be better off without them.

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                    [–]NodeThis is my flair. There are many like it, but this one is mine. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                    https://c19ivermectin.com/

                    Okay, I rummaged around and found this in my bookmarks. In these studies, ivermectin was tested on the covid.

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                        [–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

                        How much does ExxonMobil pay you to be a climate change denier? Asking for a friend

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                          [–]AcceleratedWallops 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

                          And so what do you suggest we do about it? Just let them fuck the planet? And who do you consider the "right" targets?

                          Also making fun of Greta? Wtf man. She's got more balls than half the country combined and she's still just a kid. If you think she's being duped by corporatists, can you really blame her?

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                            [–]AcceleratedWallops 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

                            So you're mad at the globalists, and you're at people trying to speak out against globalists...I'm not sure what you want.

                            real environmentalism starts with holistic living.

                            The effect of an individual on the environment is minimal. You going off the grid isn't going to shut down any factories, dude. We need to impose harsh regulations on polluting corporations and countries to make any significant impact.

                            [–]Yin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            I'm saying people need to be woken up. Disinformation with lack of thinking is the largest opponent that can be combated. Individuals waking up in a chain reaction has a large effect.

                            [–]jykylsin2034 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            In the exact same boat man

                            [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

                            are really just a boogeyman to cover up intentions for totalitarian control.

                            And the benefits of totalitarian control are what?

                            [–]beece 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            Well, you missed it this go round (you'll be fine) but take some time to think about the best way to red pill your parents. Think about things they are passionate about, and the next time it winds up being discussed on Poal or Voat, ask their opinion, explain that these "free speech sites can be horrible, but would you give me your thoughts about this that or the other and give them the link. Most importantly, listen to what sparks their fire, and consider the best way to react to get engagement.

                            You'll miss the next version of this:-)

                            [–]carn0ld03 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            "Don't fall for it. Notice how they're always trying to get you to quit. Because that allows them to claim victory without having to defeat you. Remember that your demoralization is the entire point of the exercise. Liars lie. That's what they do, so don't be surprised when they do it, and don't fall for it."

                            • Theodore Beale, aka Voxday, *Source

                            You're sixteen years old. In most countries that makes you old enough to make your own medical decisions without parental approval or consent. They're gaslighting you in an attempt to demoralize and defeat you without having to physically harm you. If they truly loved you and believed your confidence and trust was important, but believed the vaccine was also safe, they'd have offered themselves up to the vaccine first. Then after several weeks, or months, show you that you were being misinformed from their continued health.

                            The thing to never forget, no one promised that life would be easy, in fact it's going to be hard and in the years ahead you will discover many of those you previously knew will suddenly declare you their enemy. As the old saying goes, misery loves company, and the miserable can do some evil things to make that company.

                            Offer them a consideration. Tell them bluntly, you will only vaccinate after they've done so first, and should there be no complications during 12 months following, you may consider getting vaccinated as well. Make no promises or anything that can be conflated for a promise. Then declare the discussion as closed as far as you're concerned. The only thing that can do is throw you out or evict you from the home. The problem is, once that occurs, they'll have removed any doubt who and what they love, revealing that for all the affection they may have showed you in the past, you weren't someone they were truly capable of loving.

                            In the long term, as this vaccine is understood to be as dangerous as the indy media reports, you will find numerous educational and employment opportunities develop for you as you won't be irreversibly crippled by this bio-weapons experiment. In the meantime, focus on securing your drivers license and using your summers to find out how employable you otherwise currently are.

                            [–]slushpilot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            But you're fine though, right?

                            [–]thefirststone 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            rip in pepperoni

                            [–]Brewdabier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

                            "conspiracy theorist" talking about "misinformation", rather than believing what you read on reddit,saidit why not educate yourself. Go to a few hospitals and see what's going on, also how old are you under 18 or over. If under then you do as your parents say and if older then get out of your parents home and live your own life.