Ivermectin for refugees but not Americans? 🤔

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https://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/guidelines/overseas-guidelines.html#pt-summary

CDC says refugees must take ivermectin and other drugs before coming to the united states.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

The FDA is telling Americans not to take ivermectin for covid.

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[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (20 children)

some shill whining it's for parasites only

Just a follow-up but by astonishing coincidence it also cures covid!

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

I was talking with a friend the other day, who is a medical doctor, and I asked him about Ivermectin. He said that they know there are studies which it seems to help but they don't know if it's causation or correlation. I have read that somehow it acts as a protease inhibitor and keeps the virus from replicating, and my friend said that it doesn't make sense to him that an anti-parasitic drug would fight viral infection, but he is open minded to see what the research turns up. He also told me that the chloroquine that was promoted last year is actually linked to a larger mortality rate than non-consumption. His experience is that there are 3 main factors for getting really sick from this virus. The first and biggest risk being obesity. The second and third being diabetes and something else I can't remember.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Could it be hypertension?

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Yes it was. Are you my friend? Lol.

My friend is a Nephrologist, so I should have remembered that.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Nope, but being fat usually rides along with being hypertensive and having diabetes. All of those require medication that can diminish immune response (lowering testosterone, etc.), affect cardiac output, cardiac output affects hemoglobin, that affects oxygen saturation, blah blah and so on.

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you. Good to know.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's a lot of dead Mexicans.

[–]PastorJohnny 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

garlic is said to be called an antiparasitic.

want to see what real real parasites look like for humans?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jv53AKY6ak

btw, you could have this and not know it.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

https://files.catbox.moe/jxujfd.png

[–]PastorJohnny 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

that is pretty much what they look like.. here is the interesting part of the intestinal parasite.. they bite into some flesh in your intestines and they suck your blood.. and, like every creature that eats... this is one that also shits.. he shits toxic substances into your intestines that mixes in with the foods that you have eaten and then this toxic crap is passed into your blood stream and then circulates thruout your entire body and brain.

these little creatures can bring upon you any illness or disorder that is imaginable, including psychiatric disorders.

guess what kills them? large doses of fresh garlic.

garlic is hot like fire to them..

it dissolves them... they release their teeth from you and they melt..

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Excellent points. The 4th factor is: a carrier of COVID19 breathing into your face

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, socks, you smarty pants!

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z

Ivermectin proposes many potentials effects to treat a range of diseases, with its antimicrobial, antiviral, and anti-cancer properties as a wonder drug. It is highly effective against many microorganisms including some viruses. In this comprehensive systematic review, antiviral effects of ivermectin are summarized including in vitro and in vivo studies over the past 50 years. Several studies reported antiviral effects of ivermectin on RNA viruses such as Zika, dengue, yellow fever, West Nile, Hendra, Newcastle, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, chikungunya, Semliki Forest, Sindbis, Avian influenza A, Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome, Human immunodeficiency virus type 1, and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2. Furthermore, there are some studies showing antiviral effects of ivermectin against DNA viruses such as Equine herpes type 1, BK polyomavirus, pseudorabies, porcine circovirus 2, and bovine herpesvirus 1. Ivermectin plays a role in several biological mechanisms, therefore it could serve as a potential candidate in the treatment of a wide range of viruses including COVID-19 as well as other types of positive-sense single-stranded RNA viruses. In vivo studies of animal models revealed a broad range of antiviral effects of ivermectin, however, clinical trials are necessary to appraise the potential efficacy of ivermectin in clinical setting.

It's no wonder big pharma doesn't want people using ivermectin. It's a massive profit loss for them to lose out to a 50 year old drug that treats multiple ailments.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Was there a "shill" saying this an hour earlier? I would think that anyone recommending ivermectin for COVID19 is a shill, not someone who tells you that you're post is misleading.

[–]PastorJohnny 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

anybody that socks doesnt agree with is automagically a shill.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You got this backwards, Johnny. Anyone who disagrees with many of the Saiditors is called a 'shill' (albeit not the definition of a 'shill').

[–]PastorJohnny 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

anybody that disagrees with socks has got everything backwards.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Please don't take my comment personally, Johnny.

[–]PastorJohnny 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

i cant even remember the last time that i would even read one of your comments that wasnt directly addressed to me.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't understand your point.

[–]PastorJohnny 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i believe you are speaking your mind.

[–]IkeConn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They want us to die and the refugees take over.

[–]Voater 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Posting a guidance recommending ivermectin for refugees over 12 years ago to hide that they are using it to cure Covid 19 in refugees while telling Americans not to use doses created for large animals so they can't get that wonder drug... It was probably that devious AOC that planned the whole thing!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Big pharma: Yeah that's the ticket. Now support our approach of creating dozens of new drugs for dozens of diseases with a high price tag for each drug! Then make sure the cure rate is not faster than the transmission rate!! Cha-ching!!!!!! 💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰 Money! Money! Money! 💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵💵

[–]throwsaidme 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Yes, as a dewormer. What's your point? It's to de-worm them because they come from 3rd world or foreign countries. Why do you need ivermectin? Do you need to be de-wormed? Is there a pandemic of de-worming?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

if it kills worms maybe it kills other things like viruses?

[–]throwsaidme 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

maybe that's not how any of this works and worms arent a virus? This is a de-wormer and the people selling it to you are laughing at you? Maybe you should listen to the world's scientists instead of angry christians who believe the christian world order is being replaced by a secular one so theyre trying to sabotage the modern world as much as possible to "go back to the old ways"?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

lot of scientists say it's good to use on covid too though

I'd agree tho that since we don't know the mechanism of how it helps treat covid, that is a problem, like if I recommended it and people asked me how that works and I don't have an answer, that is no good.

[–]throwsaidme 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No scientists say it works on covid because it doesnt. The treatment and solution are the vaccines. Not deworming used on farm animals just to "own the libs".

The CDC doesnt recommend ivermectin. A semi retired christian preacher with a degree in bridge engineering is not qualified to tell you anything on this. "Scientist" can mean anything. Not a single person in the relevant field has recommended it.

If you're this careless and casual about the paucity of science when it comes to ivermectin, then youre quite inconsistent with your paranoia about the vaccines. Almost seems like there's a deeper political issue you think you're hiding but you're not doing a good job at it. Hmmm, could this be related to the last sentence in my previous comment?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

ehhh now you're just lying, bye

[–]throwsaidme 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

whatever happened to giving proof? Or do you break down this easily when actually confronted by someone who properly calls you out?

You know you're lying. We all know you're lying. You're just here to celebrate your derangement for political purposes. A grandma who didnt finish elementary school typing away on facebook is not a scientist. No one gave you permission to be this delusional. And yes, you need my permission to behave this way because you need us to accommodate and soothe your paranoid christian persecution complex. The answer to that is: no.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Did you miss the headline for the ivermectin recommendation, which is under:

Intestinal Parasite Guidance

Parasitic Treatment: Strongyloidiasis, Schistosomiasis, and Soil-Transmitted Helminth Infections

Summary of Recommendations

...ivermectin...

Note also that the chart below shows that this is NOT recommended treatment for those arriving from

Africa, Loa loa areas

Morover, nothing on that page relates to COVID19. Thus this page is unrelated to the FDA page. The FDA is correct: don't take ivermectin for COVID19.

[–]Voater 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also that has been the recommended guidance for refugees since at least 2008... So probably not related to Covid 19.

[–]PastorJohnny 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

The FDA is correct:

how is it that you are the authority that can confirm that the FDA is correct?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I don't claim to be THE authority on the FDA.

[–]PastorJohnny 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

you stated that the FDA is correct, how can you know this?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/ivermectin-covid-19-antiparasitic-political/

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-advises-against-use-ivermectin-prevention-treatment-covid-19-outside-randomised-clinical-trials

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-advises-that-ivermectin-only-be-used-to-treat-covid-19-within-clinical-trials

[–]PastorJohnny 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

yeah, covid is bullshit.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

So responses to your questions or comments are meaningless. I'll keep that in mind.

[–]PastorJohnny 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

do i have to agree with everything you say?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I'm not referring to disagreement. No worries - I won't bother you.

[–]PastorJohnny 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

you have never bothered me, not really.

please continue telling everyone about everyone that you hate.

that will make a positive change.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Is that your alter-ego in your pocket, or - after 17 days - are you just happy to see me?

    [–]Rob3122 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    They don't want to kill the immigrants that will replace us

    [–]PastorJohnny 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    https://www.goodrx.com/ivermectin

    [–]PastorJohnny 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    one side effect of importing the taliban into the united states is that you will begin to hear the "call to prayer" at fajr time.. and for all other prayers also..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBNUdeWw-wE

    if you complain about this, you will be corrected, you might be executed.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    I don't understand why ivermectin started being used for a virus. I don't see how it would be harmful but also how it would help. I think someone, scammers or maybe merck, just started an underground campaign to trick people.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z

    Ivermectin proposes many potentials effects to treat a range of diseases, with its antimicrobial, antiviral, and anti-cancer properties as a wonder drug. It is highly effective against many microorganisms including some viruses. In this comprehensive systematic review, antiviral effects of ivermectin are summarized including in vitro and in vivo studies over the past 50 years. Several studies reported antiviral effects of ivermectin on RNA viruses such as Zika, dengue, yellow fever, West Nile, Hendra, Newcastle, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, chikungunya, Semliki Forest, Sindbis, Avian influenza A, Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome, Human immunodeficiency virus type 1, and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2. Furthermore, there are some studies showing antiviral effects of ivermectin against DNA viruses such as Equine herpes type 1, BK polyomavirus, pseudorabies, porcine circovirus 2, and bovine herpesvirus 1. Ivermectin plays a role in several biological mechanisms, therefore it could serve as a potential candidate in the treatment of a wide range of viruses including COVID-19 as well as other types of positive-sense single-stranded RNA viruses. In vivo studies of animal models revealed a broad range of antiviral effects of ivermectin, however, clinical trials are necessary to appraise the potential efficacy of ivermectin in clinical setting.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    that doesn't say how it works just that it might by some unknown mechanism

    I guess you could say ivermectin kills parasites and a virus is actually a parasite. It's just weird it is this known drug used for years, and people won a Nobel for it, but they don't know how it works. It sounds kind of like a vaccine. Ivermectin is a bacteria itself, you give it to someone and I guess it effects the immune system, boosting it?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/07/23/one-big-myth-about-medicine-we-know-how-drugs-work/

    Here’s how we think we discover powerful new medicines: Scientists dig deep into biology and zero in on a molecular Achilles’ heel that could disable a devastating disease, be it cancer or an infection. They concoct experimental drugs that hit the target. Then they conduct trials to find one that is safe and effective in people.

    Here’s how we actually develop a surprising number of treatments: good old-fashioned observation, trial and error, and luck. Detailed scientific understanding of how a drug works often comes, ironically enough, near the end of the process.

    More trial and error has gone into Ivermectin than those covid vaccines.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    you're not reading what I'm saying

    [–]Trendball1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    hypertension may happened I rode..