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[–]Gearbeta 59 insightful - 1 fun59 insightful - 0 fun60 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Isn't it interesting how TRAs seem to hate actual GNC people? Especially ones like drag queens and butch lesbians who don't consider themselves trans?

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 39 insightful - 4 fun39 insightful - 3 fun40 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

It reminds themselves and others that a person can be gnc and not need to transition and/or identify as the opposite sex to be happy.

Also, it's like looking in the mirror and seeing how badly some trans pass. It's a painful dose of reality, and jarring enough to be considered an insult.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 28 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Isn't it interesting how TRAs seem to hate actual GNC people? Especially ones like drag queens and butch lesbians who don't consider themselves trans?

THIS! Indeed, I'd go so far as to say that TRAs don't just seem to hate actual GNC people, they in fact do hate them, full-stop!

After all, the entire trans narrative rests on gender conformity, doesn't it? Rules such as "dresses/skirts, high heels, makeup, long hair, pink = woman". Because if those things ceased to be associated with femaleness-- if there was no longer any sense that women should wear them, or that men shouldn't -- then how could men signal that they "identify" as women? How could we distinguish between "transwomen" and all the other men who accept their maleness while also choosing to wear eyeliner/nail polish/skirts etc.?

So GNC people are really transgenderism's natural enemy. They demonstrate that, despite TRAs' fervent belief and best efforts to convince us otherwise, gender-roles are not, in fact, the same thing as sex, nor do they override it. And if you don't buy this primacy-of-gender argument... well, that's the ball game, as they say; TRAs have got nuthin'. Or, in other words: checkmate, TRAs! (to mix my game-metaphors all to hell)

Which is why I'm perpetually astonished that the whole trans-travesty continues to be seen as an exercise in gender NON-conformity. As though such people are out there fighting against all those damn regressive pink-is-for-girls/blue-is-for-boys sex-stereotypes! When the reality is that they're fighting FOR them! How can everyone have gotten it so ass-backwards?

My best guess: it's the result of an erroneous assumption-- namely, that in rejecting the gender-role for your sex, you are thereby rejecting gender entirely. Like, as a concept. The whole enchilada.

And, of course, you ARE rejecting a central tenet of gender: that it is assigned by society based on your observed biological sex. For it to instead be chosen by oneself is indeed a departure, and quite a radical one, at that.

But the thing is: that's their SOLE departure. Other than this? TRAs and the more familiar breed of traditionalist gender-enforcers are on the same page. They only differ on who gets to assign these stereotypes (the individual vs society), and on what basis (one's fee-fees vs observed biological sex). Which, at least from where I sit, looks less like fundamental disagreement than mere quibbling.

Could it be that, if we publicized these facts, much of TRAs' leftist/progressive support might evaporate? Cuz I can't see how they'd justify being on the side of gender-role policing. Or championing stereotypes, for that matter.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

But the thing is: that's their SOLE departure. Other than this? TRAs and the more familiar breed of traditionalist gender-enforcers are on the same page. They only differ on who gets to assign these stereotypes (the individual vs society), and on what basis (one's fee-fees vs observed biological sex). Which, at least from where I sit, looks less like fundamental disagreement than mere quibbling.

Yeah, this. They both believe in gender-conforming boxes for people. It's just that the TRAs believe people can go into any box they want at any time. And anyone who escapes or is in the process of escaping these boxes entirely (gnc) they try to force them back in through social pressure by claiming they are actually the opposite gender or something. And if the gnc person takes issue with this they are called regressive and close-minded or in denial about their own "egg"ness.

[–]BiHorror 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sex and gender are the same thing. It's sex roles that's created by society. Stereotypes do hold some true to them, but obviously not for all, like me, but that does not rule over the majority. Honestly, GC and TRAs are also alike when it comes to manipulating the English language.

[–]8bitgay 42 insightful - 4 fun42 insightful - 3 fun43 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

“about members of random groups dressing up as the opposite gender in a general way that has the intention of being as funny as possible”.

... isn't this how drag queens always are? Do they ban RuPaul's Drag Race from being watched there too?

I don't even like drag queens, but it's amazing how the TRA thinks everything is about them.

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 24 insightful - 8 fun24 insightful - 7 fun25 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

“about members of random groups dressing up as the opposite gender in a general way that has the intention of being as funny as possible”.

Isn't it how majority of transwomen, who are leaving their parts in tact look and act?

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 22 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The SU said the socials had become “about members of random groups dressing up as the opposite gender in a general way that has the intention of being as funny as possible”.

That's the whole point, Aiden!

I love that we all came here to respond to the same quote, because it is THAT ridiculous!

[–]8bitgay 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's kinda funny to see them fighting each other. I've seen many cis gay guys who are huge supporters of drag queens and they're also huge supporters of TQ+. One of the things they say to defend drag queens is that transpeople are fine with it.

These guys would probably have to take sides if they get confronted with articles like this one.

IMO the popularity of drag queen in recent years has been to the gay community a big source of negativity, pro-queer narratives, and confusion about gender non conformity. In this "battle" I side with neither group, though I guess at least drag queens tend to be cis gay men, unlike the TQ.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ooh, now I really wanna see a full-on, no-holds-barred BRAWL between "transwomen" and drag queens!!!

I can just picture it now: wigs/cat ears flyin' every which way, stiletto-heeled kicks, makeup smeared all to hell, gravelly-voiced bellowing...

Think it'd look a little something like THIS!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OO27A8xllA

(careful you don't get blinded by the SHEER GLAMOUR on display)

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Pretty sure everyone clicked on this thread with that already copied into our clipboard, LOL...

It's crazy because their own reasoning does not even mention transgender people. I've been to a party similar to this and the men all had to put way more effort into the swap than the women. I think the ACTUAL issue might be that the results are a little too on the nose that what the MtFs think is a real "gender identity" is being mocked as over the top. Notice that they don't mention how FtMs feel about women dressing up either.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 34 insightful - 2 fun34 insightful - 1 fun35 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I don’t like drag. I find it repulsive. Unpopular opinion, but whatever. But at least drag queens are aware that they are not women.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's repulsive because men in drag portrait an horrid and mocking vision of a man.

[–]insta 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Who gives a shit about that. Drag kids are being supported by the most mainstream drag stars. If your "hobby" is endorsing pimping out kids on stage for older gay men to ogle at then you need to reevaluate your priorities.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Toddlers in Tiaras and similar beauty pageants for kids are disgusting and I hope that they are gone. But child drag queens is definitely worse, because not only are those kids being sexualised, they are being confused. On top of that, Desmond is MolestedAmazing is taking ketamine and hanging out with a murderer. It’s disgusting.

[–]insta 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Desmond is Amazing is quite literally a strawman some 1990s bible thumper would've dreamed up and has now come to reality.

[–]julesburm1891 28 insightful - 9 fun28 insightful - 8 fun29 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

Are they actually admitting that transwomen are dudes in ridiculous get-ups with crazy makeup?

[–][deleted] 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Pink News should just change their name to Trans News. It’s all trans, all the time.

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Or like those memes about them with "PenisNews".

[–]FrostyNugsI'm allergic to nuts 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The T is the only letter that matters now because trans are the most oppressededest group in the alphabet soup because lesbians don't wanna touch their peens, and us filthy cis oppressor normies should ignore our own issues because we have mentally sound privilege.

[–]JulienMayfair 22 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

1965: Men dressing up as women is banned by conservatives.

2020: Men dressing up as women is banned by self-described progressives.

What they have in common: The impulse to control.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

the common feature is that they are both right wing, on social issues at least. The TRAs tend to just go insanely far left on economic issues and then pretend rigid social hierarchy is somehow leftist.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Only their left economic issues are "tax payers must pay for free surgery and HRT for transes", while ignoring or going against same tax payers paying for everyone else's health or other issues. So it is pretty right winged view as well - "give only one our small group privilege" - just like billionaries are lobbying privileges for them in USA goverment.

[–]cutenoobies 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Are they on the way to make drag a trans only event now?

[–]crodish 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Better still, are they admitting that trans ARE basically just doing drag "but real, so you can't do it for fun while admitting you aren't really a woman/man"? lmfao

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

And they already banned transvestites in many places too.

[–]BritishbulldogUndecided if Radfem or just TERF 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

But the fact that it ridicules women is fine....

[–]BiHorror 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Does it? I've always been told it was to ridicule sex roles. Only times it was considered sexist was when the performers would refer to women as "fish."

[–]FrostyNugsI'm allergic to nuts 8 insightful - 10 fun8 insightful - 9 fun9 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

They're just seething because the drag queens still pass better than they ever will

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Look at the sidebar. Typical for pink news. If you are not intersectionally (trans)&(nonwhite)&(non-"cis"-man) then they hate you and everything is your fault. This is part of the shit that drives vulnerable guys into the alt right / white nationalist / incel culture.

The main article is about hating on "cis men" for doing an objectively good thing - which is - breaking out of the confines of societal gender expectations. They hate those "cis" men for breaking out of gender without being dysphoric about it and the TRAs actually want them to be confined to the gender roles because you are only allowed to dress in a stereotypically feminine outfit if you are specifically trans or "queer". Normie plebs are not allowed to participate.

Then on the sidebar they have an article blaming white gay men for corona. I'm sure they are specifically responsible for the states refusing to enact quarantine policies.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

They hate those "cis" men for breaking out of gender

It is because gender ideology is about cementing gender in stone, otherwise you could not change gender or be non-binary. If wearing dresses by men will be accepted, then how they can transition (without surgery) to "being a woman"? So they are strongly against anything that breaks classic gender stereotypes - transvestites, drag queens and kings, LGB...

[–]NiceDickBro 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I had a feeling they were going to go after drag queens next, really not trying to win friends with anyone are they?

[–]zerosis 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nice to know that more colleges are going the route of Evergreen! This will end well.