SaidIt alternatives?

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SaidIt is obviously a lost cause as a free speech platform. Can anyone suggest any alternatives?

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[–]Bigs 19 insightful - 9 fun19 insightful - 8 fun20 insightful - 9 fun -  (1 child)

Why is it a lost cause? Because you can't control it?

[–]-PC-88- 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why is it a lost cause?

Because it's not free-speech.

(Note the mismatch between the comment count shown and the number of comments in the thread.)

[–]Fiyanggu 13 insightful - 9 fun13 insightful - 8 fun14 insightful - 9 fun -  (4 children)

Why is it a lost cause? Just keep using it daily and it'll grow. How do you think that POS Reddit started out?

[–]CANDYASSES 8 insightful - 11 fun8 insightful - 10 fun9 insightful - 11 fun -  (0 children)

one year ago, there was five users here... and now, we have seven users... holy moly..

[–]P-C--8-8 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why is it a lost cause?

Because it's not free-speech.

[–]Bond_Villain 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Using reddit as a buoy in the troubled waters of 'free speech' is hilarious! Good one!

[–]noice 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Over 10 years ago it was decent

[–]blowininthewind 9 insightful - 6 fun9 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 6 fun -  (9 children)

first of all, i don't think so. free speech does not constitute really harmful shit like bot speech and such. in case i'm wrong:

if you're hardcore conservative i suggest gab and voat and such.

if you know really really sensitive shit i suggest either don't risk your life or wikileaks, as you should know.

[–]PC--88 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

free speech does not constitute really harmful shit like bot speech and such.

:implying your own speech isn't part of that:

[–]fschmidt[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

gab and voat are intolerably dysfunctional. If I get banned here, I will just increase my efforts to fund a competitor.

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Gab is Zionist owned, so that is probably why.

[–]Sendnoodles 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

🙄

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

🙄

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

You can buy a server for us and have it delivered to my place. It will always be your server. The harddrives will always be mine. The community will always be OURS. You can have the server back whenever you want, with fair warning. You'll have to pay for shipping. Unless I get arrested or die or something serious there will never be any reason why I would change these terms. Eventually we'll have a service worth donating to so perhaps we can buy it back - and maybe buy some 24-bay drive racks for archives and PeerTube if really successful.

My old box, now named "Cassandra" (truthe prophet of doom) on Lubuntu, as server is currently good for testing on and lighter things but nothing heavy - and it's first in our new federation.

It might be nice to have a "server-copy-service" where people deliver a blank harddrive to me, I mirror it, and then send it to them to seed their server. I know it's never that simple, but it might be nice to help speed up the federation with processes more akin to plug-n-play.

[–]fschmidt[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Do you have some decentralized forum software worth considering? I don't think any centralized system is worth my support.

Also, why your home? I run my websites using hosted servers with fast internet connections.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I refuse to do any major centralized system, except MediaWiki. If there was a federated wiki I would seriously consider it. I'm hoping there's a way to rig it or something.

My home server is the testing ground. Also, I have way over 50 terrabytes of stuff I'd eventually like to share somehow. I don't expect any of it to be high volume traffic.

Also, ideally, one idea is to have a "storefront" in the cloud and a warehouse/vault/archive at the "homefront" or "workfront". Cloud space is expensive and they can be fickle. If they kick you off you just relocate quickly and easily. Critically with a cloud storefront you can mask your real location so we can get anon folks to to participate AND remain anonymous. Also importantly, if we can do this with my 12yo old box with 3gb RAM, then anyone can do it, anon or not, with old gear and new. /s/Decentralize4Dummies

Also it's an anon-filter of sorts. The cloud folks should report you if you have illegal stuff (ie. child porn) and are trying to ruin the federation. Otherwise it's their duty to protect your anonymity.

I don't trust the cloud with my data. I want control over my own drives. I'll buy racks and lines if I can raise funds to grow a little server farm or whatever. IMO we should all do this - even if all we do is plug-n-play with a refrigerator sized unit in our attics or basements by the water heater - like any other home appliance.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Actually, Wikipedia and the sister sites all share user aliases and cross-notify somehow, so maybe there already is some kind of federating of sorts going on.

[–]mongre 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

Oh lord...I'm sick of you soyboys bitching about this forum. It IS a free speech site, but honestly not everyone wants to hear EVERY SICK THING IMAGINABLE. We want a space to discuss anything, criticize, complain, condemn and contrast without being policed for our speech, but NOBODY wants to hear neonazis organize or promote that shit. Nobody wants to hear about fucking kids or pervert twisted shit so there ARE LIMITS. Get over it or go start your own sub so you, too can see just how fucking difficult, time consuming, expensive, and annoying it can be running one of these things.

[–]Fiyanggu 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

No, I don't care that there are Neonazis speaking out. A free for all like the early days of Usenet is what I'd like to see. Fuck your feelings.

[–]Chipit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Turns out, feelings are actually really important. You can't change society without appealing to people's feelings.

The nazis function as frightening ghouls, scaring away the normies. There are other websites for that crap already.

[–]Sendnoodles 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Fuck your feelings.

How ironic

[–]---PC88--- 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

  • 1. It is not a "free speech site"... unless your idea of "free speech" is simply not getting banned for the same things as on reddit. Which is a damn low bar to pass.

  • 2. If you don't like certain speech, DON'T UPVOTE AND DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO IT. That's what those functions are for. You're a big boy. You don't need a tranny nanny to cover your eyes and ears. If truly nobody wants to hear it, then it will remain background noise. If people do want to hear it, but you don't: Tough shit, snowflake! Grow some!

  • 3. This isn't about GRAPHIC CONTENT. Snap out of your strawmanning. This is about the free, unfiltered exchange of IDEAS and OPINIONS. Discussing child porn, for example, not posting it.

Fucking bootlick.

😤

[–]JasonCarswell 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What about when some asstroll dominates the front page like a petulant child? Is that free speech?

[–]---PC88--- 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then moderation has failed completely.

😐

[–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Why are you calling anyone soyboys? There aren't many if any SJWs here.

Several of us are working on a new decentralized Lenny forum (not just a new sub), test some other forums, PhpBB, a MediaWiki for projects, PeerTube, IPFS, TOR, ZeroNet, etc etc etc. Also, a decentralized archival system would be good to bridge and unify all these somehow. If you have any recommendations, I'm all ears.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

After the first sentence I knew you were going to reference to nazis. You’re a fucking nitwit.

[–]mongre 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Dude shows up every day promoting "iron left" with an 88 monicker. Maybe read before talking shit.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

To be fair, I think someone during the reddit dystopia days pointed out it having to do with Star Wars. I could be entirely wrong though, it's been a few weeks and a dead pet ago.

[–]Chipit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Amen, brother. This, a thousand times this.

[–]BigFatRetard 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I just spent quite a bit of time working with lotide, an open source federated link aggregator and forum.

https://sr.ht/~vpzom/lotide/

There's more information on their own instance:

https://narwhal.city/communities/12

Federation is basically the ideal solution for censorship. Different communities can run their own instances that are operated according to their own community standards, and where censorship exists the network can route around the damage.

Even better is that because lotide uses the activitypub protocol, you can subscribe and interact with communities from different software such as mastodon, pleroma, friendica, etc.

Imo, decentralization is the only way we can win against big tech.

[–]fschmidt[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Why is it so dead?

Yes decentralization is the best answer if done right. I wrote about this.

https://saidit.net/s/PhoenixForum/comments/7i60/my_vision_for_social_forums/

[–]BigFatRetard 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Personally, I think it's because the devs haven't pushed it very much so the critical mass of users hasn't happened yet.

I was looking for a federated link aggregator for a while, and Lemmy is one (it isn't ideal for a free speech platform for various reasons), but I found Lemmy wasn't really easy to install which is why there's only a few servers.

Looking at lotide, there were three problems: The lack of basic install guide for someone who is completely unfamiliar, the default theme makes it look like crap and is basically useless for mobile, and there's virutally nobody getting the word out there.

I think that with the recent rectification of the first two issues, I could see it becoming much more popular. Especially if people know it exists which is a function of people talking about it.

[–]LarrySwinger2 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

(it isn't ideal for a free speech platform for various reasons)

If you're talking about the word filter: there's Lenny that fixes it.

there's virutally nobody getting the word out there

You don't need to rely on others to do it. Anyone who sets up their own instance can promote that (as they would with any other software they set up), and the entire network gains visibility as a result. It has to start somewhere.

[–]BigFatRetard 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Lemmy and Lenny had the same issue of their installation instructions take you about halfway and then just leave you. The difference is that lotide was reasonably easy to figure out for a Layman so someone could write instructions without being the core dev. I really like that you can take a base install of ubuntu, follow the instructions, and have a working system without any further steps.

You're not stuck in traffic, you are traffic. I'm specifically pointing out lotide to help address the fact that no one talks about it.

[–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

We need the uncensored Lenny, not SJW Lemmy. And we'll be developing and sharing tutorials on our wiki and in /s/Decentralize4Dummies.

Our goal is to make as easy as possible so that everyone can participate in the federation. Also, a top priority is to develop tools for anonymous people to participate while remaining anonymous.

Thanks for the lotide reference. /u/LarrySwinger2 and the rest of us will be looking at all recommendations for Federated FLOSS solutions. We'd really like to find a decentralized wiki, ideally as robust as MediaWiki. If lotide looks like crap we can always reskin or have CSS themes - unless the GUI is difficult/impossible to modify.

https://GetSession.org if you want to join our groupchat conversation.

We'll also need people to keep Lenny on par with Lemmy to ideally maybe even surpass it, and build bridges to other platforms and for other things. I don't code but I can dream, write, and design.

Just as critically we need diverse goal templates and ToS templates along with social management templates for different people with different preferences. Why? To make things as easy and close to plug and play as possible, including how things are governed.

Keep thinking about these things. When we get our wiki up I'll be sharing some and hope everyone will give their feedback to improve them.

/s/Cassy
/s/PhoenixForum
/s/Decentralize4Dummies
/s/DecentralizeAllThings
/s/FederatedAllMedia
/s/DIY
/s/ResistanceAnalysis
/s/Solutions
Ask me for more recommendations if you like.

[–]LarrySwinger2 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Hey Jason. A few things I wanted to tell you. First of all, don't worry about a decentralized Wiki. Larry Sanger is working on the Encyclosphere, which will aggregate content from all online encyclopedias. He recently gave a good interview on Timcast where he introduces it. I'll set up your Wiki where you can articulate your ideas, and then you can let Sanger catch up with you regarding decentralization and visibility in a network.

Secondly, creating a new sub for new projects is neat in that the information is aggregated in one place, but the downside is that it has less visibility. How do you feel about x-posting new /s/Cassy threads in /s/Internet and new /s/PhoenixForum threads in /s/DecentralizeAllThings?

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I saw that. Aside from a few things it sounds good. Only time will tell, and we'll see how corrupted it gets too. But how much time and how much corruption? It's still centralized and may appease the masses for a while until SJWs, CIA, Mossad, or whatever corrupt it. He may be honest and naive, or he may be intentionally subverting any effort to federate wikis.

My last MetaVote post got zero notice, so I just reposted it. I like that idea of cross-posting some things, BUT, we should wait until we have more to share and utilize the reposting of stuff to boost enthusiasm and anticipation before our launch, IMO. We need not hurry and blow our load too soon.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

When the summer censorship and riots pop off there will more activity here to be sure.

I read that but I there weren't comments before. I'll visit it later. I have to prepare for my weekly protest.

[–]Jesus 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Look at the studf I post... never once been banned or told that my posts should be deleted. This site is a fine free speech site but you have to try to stick to the pyramid of debate rules.

[–]Tarrock 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

You know you can use multiple social media platforms, right? I use saidit with others.

To answer your question, the .win network.

[–]fschmidt[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

To answer your question, the .win network.

Link? Is it social?

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

https://communities.win
https://conspiracies.win
https://patriots.win
https://thedonaldwin.win

[–]fschmidt[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

So these are separate servers that don't share data, right? So not a solution.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Not sure. I think Communities.win collects them all, including more than that list. Not sure at all. Don't care to delve. I already know I don't like the .wins like I don't like voat, poal, ruqqus, etc.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (11 children)

Obvious concern troll.

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

No, Schmidt is right. As a free speech site this place is an abject failure. A lot of us are ready to go, just don't have anywhere to go to.

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    [–]JasonCarswell 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Depends what you mean by "free speech".

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I don't like how many good contributors have been banned from here. We came here to get away from that and that's why we're ready to go again.

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    It's not about going anywhere, it's about branching out.

    Whether or not M7 wants to federate with us or not, we can use the API to mirror the database and not lose our community's work here, chaotic and unorganized as it is.

    Unfortunately our progress is slow. And I'm going to slow it further by drafting up a bunch of wiki pages with ideas that I insist need to be in place and understood - and will likely need code modifications for our projects so that many diverse users and admins of federated instances can pick and chose their experience.

    Fuck the chaos and tribalist alienation, we need to unify resources and information to better inform folks with diverse interests to resist the ruling class.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    My health has been shit lately, sorry I haven't been much help. I think I know what's wrong with me though finally.

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Sorry to hear that. And glad to hear you have a solution. If the solution is getting rid of all your recreational drugs you can send them to me.

    Tomorrow should be a good day for us if what Larry said in the Session chat holds up.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Shit Jason, I'll smoke a fat blunt with you anytime.

    I don't get anything on Session any more, I'll have to poke into that.

    And glad to hear you have a solution

    I have a potential diagnosis for a thing with no cure so... Whatever, I wasn't imaging I'd take a pill and feel instantly better anyways. Might help with pain management at least, I'd like to stop doing it myself. I just noticed I've been going through a kilo of kratom a month.

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Shit Jason, I'll smoke a fat blunt with you anytime.

    Sounds good. I'm a lightweight. I'd rather do K, coke, or DMT.

    Session has updates and I don't notice anything different. I just know you need to restart it every day or two or it stops receiving.

    Sorry to hear about your cureless dilemma. I'd like to tell you some nice words but they're failing me. Doom looms and life is bittersweet.

    [–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Respectfully, I think an alternative to Saidit would be to convince /u/magnora7 to add a dozen admins in different global time zones who can quickly hide or delete spam posts, while also actively looking for accounts that are upvoting items to the front page with the 8 8 votes &c (one can see these vote histories). It would be free, would engage more people in the site, and if anyone feels that her/his post was unjustly hidden or removed, they could appeal the process. It would be quick to implement (in a week or so) and require not much admin for the current admins (unless you select a bad admin that you have to remove later). Because there are only 1 or 2 active admins here, and the spam & spam upvotes are constantly carpeting the front page, hardly anyone is motivated to invest their time in the site, and the site will continue to have low numbers in /r/all. Allow a dozen admins from different global time zones, have them agree to a strict set of basic rules, and easily remove admini privileges if they goof-up. Promblem #1 for a "free speech" site is that it is easily overrun by lunatics (eg. MAGAtards) who are obsessed with their agendas (I think /u/magnora7 alluded do this a few months ago; and I think this is why he's also avoided the site). This can be managed with the help of admins.

    [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    convince /u/magnora7

    Good luck with that. He has zero interest in fair, open, accountable, consistent, nor honest social management systems. He's coasting. Besides, you can't even convince folks that you're not a shill or that vaccines are good for you.

    He only wants people to participate on his terms and within his limits. Anyone gets too motivated and he shits on them as he can't get past his ego and cooperate. But he can serve his chosen purpose and play whack-a-troll to filter out all the STABs for the rest of the federation, many of which will be invite-only like my instance. I'll let new users prove themselves on SaidIt first, then invite them. Others may choose to play whack-a-troll if they like too.

    Worth stating/repeating: I won't be "stealing users" from SaidIt as the goal is to have the federation interact with SaidIt as well, like anyone else in the federation.

    From over a decade of Burning Man experience I can tell you that managing volunteers is like herding cats. You're time-zone idea sounds good but won't work well - though it'd be better than nothing. Add a paycheck, crypto, or rewards, and that's a different story.

    Fuck immature idiots and their "free speech". I want cooperation, truth-seeking, minimal governance, and a say in our systems for fairness and liberty without exploitation. Freedom means living together with people under rules that you and they choose together. Freedom is secondary to choosing the rules that you can get other people to agree to. See also, this.

    [–]beece 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Voat.xyz and to a lesser extent: Poal.co although poal also doe's not let you downvoat stupidity, like Saidit, which is a big issue IMO.

    https://www.voat.xyz/v/all?view=hot

    https://poal.co/all/hot

    [–]fschmidt[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Voat is dysfunctional. Poal has no free speech.

    [–]noseburp 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    voat, poal, snapzu.

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Snapzu is nu tu me.

    How about Ruqqus?

    [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    /s/SaiditAlternatives

    [–]HibikiBlack 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I see it as the same as arming a revolution. You don't have to downright control every single user, but just have enough good users in your disposition that share your ideals to start doing some serious damage.

    There's way too much competition at Saidit and a bunch of loons that want to subvert it for their ends, but It's the biggest reddit like forum that I know of in which the deep state/CIA hasn't completely taken control of.

    I'll take my chances here, It's going to be a hard struggle but I'm starting to think of ways of actually pushing the CIA back for once.

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    We're working on branching out. Stay tuned and hopeful.

    Please ping me when you share your counter-CIA ideas.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Lemme know if you find something. Please.

    [–]LarrySwinger2 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

    More like Lemmy know.

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Lenny now.

    [–]LarrySwinger2 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

    Hey fschmidt. Jason and I are working on things. We're making great progress. We've basically got the server set up, and I could start hosting things right away, although I'd like a reinstall with a different partition layout. My main project will be a PhpBB forum that's focused on actual discussions about conspiracies (rather than link aggregation), as well as philosophy, religion, spirituality, and related topics. Stay tuned for a proper announcement about this.

    I'm also going to set up other software for people as a community service. Some people have expressed interest in a Lemmy instance. I may set that up as well, but I'd need to find other people who are motivated to keep the community engaged, as PhpBB will be my own focus. Would you like to be involved?

    Are you able to get Session working? Jason gave me your ID and I added you to our group, but you never said anything.

    [–]fschmidt[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

    Any real solution must be decentralized. Are you doing this?

    [–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    A decentralized solution is a long-term goal for me. I've been testing a couple of platforms. I haven't encountered anything yet about which I'm really content, but I'm not done exploring the options yet (and specifically IPFS is a platform I want to look into). I also have ideas for software myself. I really want to take a grand approach. But I'm not a software developer, so I can't work on this without schooling myself first. Right now I'm content with simply setting up a new forum, because it can be done straight away. I know that I have the competence to run it properly and the integrity not to sell out, and hosting it on Tor will make raids less likely; this is sufficient for me.

    And in a way we already have decentralization in that anyone can set up their own forum, and people can point their web browsers to the sites they like or subscribe only to RSS feeds they like.

    P.S. do you include federated software as decentralized. Because Lemmy is federated.

    [–]fschmidt[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    Yes federated. I discussed Lemmy here.

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    You're against making FLOSS, but what if there was some kind of a caveat promise?

    For example, you promise that after 5 or 10 years you make it 100% open source. And/or, if the donations exceed a certain level. And/or any number of creative alternative ideas.

    [–]fschmidt[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    I would make it open source from the beginning.

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I thought you were dead set against it and only wanted proprietary. Change of mind or am I confused?

    [–]fschmidt[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    You are confused.

    https://saidit.net/s/PhoenixForum/comments/7i60/my_vision_for_social_forums/

    I have always said that I want it to be open source.

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    1,000,000%

    Without a team of coders the only advantages we can have over SaidIt are 1) decentralization, 2) Lemmy/Lenny, PeerTube, MediaWiki, etc all have coder support communities, 3) we will have more fair, open, accountable, consistent (perhaps as this is my weakness), and honest social management systems. Systems plural. A critical and unique concept I have yet to share.

    ALL of these are possible today (/s/Cassy), not like the theoretical wish lists and sci-fi dreaming of /s/PhoenixForum.

    [–]CANDYASSES 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    the goal of all forums, including saidit, is to fk up and cancel your social media communications.

    [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    What do you guys think of these Fediverse platforms:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse#Fediverse_software_platforms

    [–]fschmidt[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    None is listed as type "forum".

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I noticed that too. I suppose "forum" is a broad term. Lemmy is a "Link Aggregator, Social Network". I'd take that as a cue.

    We may try some out. My little old server has Lubuntu going on it for now. If you return to Session we can discuss it more there regarding that. Once the wiki is up I plan to lay out a lot of stuff, plans, goals, roadmap, etc.

    [–]Brewdabier 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    I've been here a hour and saidit is 1 million times better at free speech than reddit.

    [–]fschmidt[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    I suppose that there was 1 million times better free speech under Hitler than under Stalin, but that doesn't make Hitler ideal.

    [–]Brewdabier 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    No idea what Hitler or Stalin has to do with saidit and reddit.

    [–]CANDYASSES 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    hitler has been formally banned from this website at least two or three times.

    maybe we can just ignore him from now on.

    [–]MacRace 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Ok but where are alternatives?

    [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    /s/SaidIt/comments/7u7e/saidit_alternatives/tdh4

    [–]Pononimus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    There's lots of alternatives to SAIDIT as a free speech platform but I'm not going to say what they are because I don't want any faggot ass hole soyboys coming to those and fucking them up, too.

    [–]raven9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    What exactly do you want to post about that this site is not allowing you to?

    [–]fschmidt[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This site is fine now that magnora7 isn't active. When he was active there was random censorship.