Alexander Dugins thoughts on the West, Europe, and Whites

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

So what? Some random Russian reactionary that likes larping as Russian Kalergi hates Western Civilisation. Who cares?

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

My reaction when anyone brings up Dugin.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

lmao

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's not even honest, since as you can see from the full quotations rather than just the bolded text, Dugin does the same thing that leftist intellectuals do in conflating the liberal system with the West and reducing the latter exclusively to the former, then condemning the whole thing from a right wing rather than left wing perspective. This is the result of Dugin conceiving the world in terms of "civilisations" rather than nations etc.

Not to say that this makes his ramblings any more coherent or valid, of course. There are a couple of things he's insightful about in the field of political theory, but basically everything he's got on the practical side of politics is wrong, if not outrageously wrong. This is why he's irrelevant today and will continue to be such. Ironically, he seems most popular with shill accounts who try to smear other people as "Duginists".

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yeah the only people who care about him are the ones who dislike him lol

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

Dear me it seems the only people obsessed with Dugin are random oddballs who post here and Glenn Beck.

I've read The Fourth Political Theory and it's pretty unremarkable. The strange obsession many have with him is absurd.

I have no idea why in the last few days a bunch of freaks have popped up here denouncing the evil threat of 'Duginism' but I think you need to move on.

Inb4 someone denounces this post as some kind of 'Duginist' plot to distract attention from the wily Rasputin pulling the strings in the Russian government and the racialist right.

Then again that's probably what a Duginist would do in the first place.

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

I find it hilarious that NPCs on both the left and right think Russia secretly controls the world, it's definitely an organic occurrence and definitely isn't astroturfed to fuck. I bet these same tards would talk about how the dem npcs are absurd for thinking Russia hacked the election then they'll say in the next breath about how Dugin is the leader of world jewry and controls the whole planet behind the scenes lmfao

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

You know Markimus, I can't remember having a single agreement with you on anything. Even when our forum was still up on Reddit. You and I could never see eye to eye. And our disagreements seem to get worse every time we interact.

There was always something off with you, but I could never figure out what it was. You have an extremely negative and depressing outlook, even for an alt-righter. You also have a dismissive, contemptuous attitude to your fellow posters.

I used to think that you just had a stick up your ass. But now I'm wondering whether there is something more going on.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

I used to think that you just had a stick up your ass. But now I'm wondering whether there is something more going on.

He's a Duginist, dude. This is classic Duginism. They black pill everyone to destroy Atlanticism and bring about Eurasian domination.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

It's all true guys but I can explain. Dugin runs the Eastern European mail-order bride agencies and he sends me a new bride once every few months when I get bored with my last one. How could any man turn down an endless supply of qt slavic girls?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Slavic harem now!

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Who were you on reddit? I don't remember your name from there

You know Markimus, I can't remember having a single agreement with you on anything.

Not surprising considering you're an unironic GOP supporter

There was always something off with you, but I could never figure out what it was.

Probably that I'm not a fucking retard obsessed with ridiculous nonsense about Dugin or thinking the GOP is secretly a pro-white organisation despite the fact that 6/9 of the presidents since 1965 have been GOP and they've done nothing for us. Along with the 65 immigration act and civil rights act both having more support from the GOP. I am literally right about everything and I have easily provable points to back me up, what do you have? Weird paranoia about Russian reactionaries? Copes and lies to try to coax people into being inactive? I tell people the reality that we HAVE to fight for ourselves and not just cope by becoming emotionally invested in the anti-white uniparty with 2 faces. What is more harmful to a delusional person (someone who thinks the GOP are ourguys), to enable their delusions or to get them help? I have the cure to their delusions, you are an enabler but not just that you are literally involved in psyoping people and making them even more fucked up.

You have an extremely negative and depressing outlook, even for an alt-righter.

No I don't lmao, you only think this because you are in love with the GOP and think anyone who points out they're the number 1 enemy of white people on the entire planet is a big meanie. People who follow my line of thinking actually become immune to becoming blackpilled because they're no longer invested in the Finkelthink fake shit and instead they're focused on doing things that set us up to build our own power. Once you take the markimuspill and cure yourself of all libtardism you become immune to blackpill whitepill tennis and that's a 100% money back guarantee.

You also have a dismissive, contemptuous attitude to your fellow posters.

I absolutely am dismissive of people spreading bullshit lies and copes and I do have nothing but contempt for you because you are trying to lead my people down the path of their continued genocide. This isn't just an online hobby where you can have fun with your little conspiracies and other such nonsense, my people are subjected to horrific crimes everyday and I don't find it the least bit funny when pieces of shit like you go around gayoping people into being obsessed with irrelevant powerless people from countries thousands of miles from their own. How about expose some people who actually have power in our own countries, is that too much to ask of you? Surely a heroic warrior of the white race shouldn't have a problem doing something that actually benefits his people instead of trying to make them obsessed with nonsense, right?

I used to think that you just had a stick up your ass. But now I'm wondering whether there is something more going on.

There is something more going on, I'm being paid by Jennifer Lawrence to trick people into fighting people who actually have power and working to build their own power rather than living vicariously through people who hate them. It is such a terrible scheme she's pulling but it's the truth guys, Jennifer Lawrence started the Dugin thing as a way of concealing that she is in fact the real puppet master behind the alt right.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Who were you on reddit? I don't remember your name from there

I use the same name on Reddit as I do on Saidit. I remember you because you were always one of the few people to consistently shoot down my ideas. I could always get at least partial agreement from the posters on our forum, but never from you.

Not surprising considering you're an unironic GOP supporter

Wrong. I supported Trump (despite knowing all his flaws) to the exclusion of the Republicans. The fact that you could misdiagnose my beliefs like that shows how tone deaf you are.

thinking the GOP is secretly a pro-white organisation despite the fact that 6/9 of the presidents since 1965 have been GOP and they've done nothing for us.

Again, more of the same. Nothing of what you've just said describes my beliefs. Your literally putting words in my mouth.

Probably that I'm not a fucking retard obsessed with ridiculous nonsense about Dugin

See, theres that word again: Obsessed. You keep repeating that word.

Heres the thing: I've never mentioned Dugin ever during my entire time on Reddit or on Saidit. But now that I make a single post about the guy, I'm somehow obsessed? Your criticism is ridiculous.

Weird paranoia about Russian reactionaries?

LOL, now you call it paranoia. See the running theme here? I make a single post criticising things that Dugin has said about the West, and you accuse me of being a paranoid schizophrenic?

Copes and lies to try to coax people into being inactive?

Hmm, funny you mention that. Because thats kindof what you have been doing all along. Except instead of copes, you use excessive blackpills and nihilism to demoralise people. Tell me Markimus, what have you ever done on our forum, other than to shoot down the ideas of other posters? You don't even provide useful feedback, you just go 'LOLNOPE.'

If anyone is guilty of causing our side to be demoralised, it is the depressive shitbags like you.

I tell people the reality that we HAVE to fight for ourselves and not just cope by becoming emotionally invested in the anti-white uniparty with 2 faces.

I agree with this sentiment in its entirety. Things have moved past the point where they can be solved by electoral politics. But what I have never seen from you is an actual strategy about how to move forward. You are the type of person who will repeatedly shout 'We have to do something!' without actually proposing any ideas. That approach is not helpful at all. You are raising peoples tensions without giving them an objective or a strategy.

I have the cure to their delusions,

You have the cure to NOTHING, Markimus. You are a nihilistic douchebag who dispenses hot takes and blackpills to people who are already demoralised, who demands action while decrying everyone elses plans, and then fancys himself as a great intellectual. You do more harm than good to our cause.

No I don't lmao, you only think this because you are in love with the GOP and think anyone who points out they're the number 1 enemy of white people on the entire planet is a big meanie.

What a surprise, more of the same strawman attacks. Get this through your thick head: I don't support the fucking GOP! I only ever supported Trump, and only when he still had a chance of being elected. He was a monkey wrench jamming up the gears of the U.S. Establishment, causing it to progressively break down. I was hoping Trump would get a chance at re-election so that he could do some more damage, but that is no longer an option.

People who follow my line of thinking actually become immune to becoming blackpilled because they're no longer invested in the Finkelthink fake shit

And just like you, they are also singularly incapable of making any concrete plans about how to stop white genocide. Because they have overdosed so heavily on blackpills that their entire worldview has become warped, and they can't examine anything objectively.

I absolutely am dismissive of people spreading bullshit lies and copes and I do have nothing but contempt for you because you are trying to lead my people down the path of their continued genocide.

You are a man who is dominated by his own anger and despair. You misdirect your hatred at your own comrades who aren't persuaded by your faulty reasoning. You despise me because I am able to pick your comments apart. In fact, I'm willing to bet that you don't hate GloboHomo as much as you claim.

What you actually hate is anyone who disagrees with your pseudo-intellectualism. You hate anyone who isn't cowed by your vitriol. Markimus, you may have convinced yourself that you are a hero on a noble mission to save the white race. But in reality, you are just a low IQ blowhard on an ego trip.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I've discussed in depth how our revolutions have won in the past and how they can win in the future and analysed the current situation over probably thousands of comments. What blackpills and nihilism are you even talking about? When have I ever said that our situation is hopeless and/or people should do nothing? Maybe in 2017 or something I may have said this. Since about late 2017 when I seriously researched nationalist revolutions I've maintained the exact same stance, that we must create our own organisations and work to build them whilst doing everything to weaken the fake right. It's not rocket science, the fascists and national socialists won because the fake right was extremely weak and when the choice is between libtardism, leftism and the real right the people pick the right every time. The problem is when there's a strong fake right (national populists today) that steal all of the right's energy. I even tell people that what they're doing isn't enough, the exact opposite of what you're claiming lol.

If you're 'my comrade' read these:

These will give you the necessary practical understanding of how we won in the past and the kind of path we have to follow in the future. Grassroots, mass populist organisation, as I've been telling people for about 3 years now. This is the only model real nationalists have ever won with.

After that for ideological training you can read:

  • Imperium (proclamation of london, the enemy of europe also)

  • For My Legionaries (prison notes and nest leader's manual also)

  • Technological Slavery (anti-tech revolution also)

  • Any analysis/ideology/philosophy/propaganda from the 20th century revolutionary nationalist movements. Calvin College German Propaganda Archive is a brilliant resource, ARPLAN.org is also brilliant.

There are plenty of active nationalist movements doing exactly what I advocate for and others like Patriot Front, RAM etc that I support and promote despite them not being political. Not sure where you're getting the "who demands action while decrying everyone elses plans" bit from. I literally tell people to just do what Casa Pound, Golden Dawn, Kotleba's party, the TWP etc were recently or are currently doing. NJP and Patriotic Alternative are orgs that will probably take a good shape soon too. It's pretty dumb to go with this when I've promoted all of these groups to our guys dozens of times.

also don't flatter yourself mate, i didn't even recognise your name so i definitely don't hate you. my hatred is reserved for people in power.

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You should save this post or some slightly rewritten version of it somewhere on your PC, seems like a pretty good summary of your sources and positions.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's fucking insane.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

youre laughing, dugin controls the world and youre laughing

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

dugin controls the world

I wish!

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

No, they don't; the Haredi mafia does and Putin is a proponent of them. Why do you think all anti-Semites in the east are in prison? Nevertheless, a quick search will show he is a Bolshevik Jew, a Zionist, a staunch proponent of Israel and the World Jewish congress.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ok what's the relevance? Putin doesn't control America so you're fine. Focus on your own rulers before doing the bidding of the neocon war machine.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have no idea why in the last few days a bunch of freaks have popped up here denouncing the evil threat of 'Duginism'

Actually, it was Jesus' posts on Dugin that aroused my suspicion. I've heard Dugins name thrown around before, but I never paid any attention to the man. I finally decided to do some research on him, and what I found is not pretty.

but I think you need to move on.

Your premise is wrong. You make is sound like I have a long obsession with Dugin, when thats anything but the case. I literally have not said a single thing about Dugin during my entire time on Saidit until now. I never did any research on him until today.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your premise is wrong. You make is sound like I have a long obsession with Dugin

That's not what I meant because I sometimes see your posts and don't think you're obsessed with him it's just that many, for whatever reason, have an entirely unhealthy obsession with that relatively obscure man including the other poster you mention.

They also use that obsession -- just as Glenn Beck did -- to make up wild and pathetic conspiracy theories about the man much like they do with Putin. As Markimus pointed out in another post there is an almost compulsive tendency to look to Russia and find dark and shadowy conspirators everywhere you look -- both left and right.

I think it's silly but if that's your bag then go for it.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Fallacies galore. "Don't think about it, ignore him." Not like he has relations with the Euro alt. conservative officials or anything like that. Hmmmmm

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

...the ones we already oppose?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You might oppose Le Pen...

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

?

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just wondering what your take on her is?

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Her dad is cool, she's just another Finkel 'National Populist'

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Dugin, About the absolute of neo-Eurasism and the phased development of the Eurasian movement, 2001.

''White racism - except for its extremely peripheral and non-indicative branches - is a completely disgusting thing, its Atlantist and the root of many great geopolitical catastrophes. The notorious unity of the 'white race' is as stupid as the concept of a 'united Christian world'. This is the most harmful Atlantist propaganda. Africans = Eurasians.''

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds like a bonafide Bolshevik to me.

[–]Minedwe 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

Why should we care exactly? There's like 50 unironic Duginists out there and they probably live in buttfuck nowhere imparting their delusional schizoid ramblings on the odd passerby.

I really don't get the obsession with NazBols in general, they are rarely unironic, and are often just a very bizarre mix of Strasserist and Stalinist.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I'm getting an odd sense of deja vu. Its almost like I've read your comment before.

Three different people have responded to my post so far (including you). And what do they all say?

'Who cares?' 'Why should we care?' 'Why are you obsessed?'

My bullshit detector is starting to go off.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Three different people have responded to my post so far (including you). And what do they all say?

'Who cares?' 'Why should we care?' 'Why are you obsessed?'

My bullshit detector is starting to go off.

You can either believe that three people -- myself included -- have responded in the same way because this issue, like we claim, is totally irrelevant and pointless or believe we're all part of some Duginist plot or some other fucking retard nonsense for 80 IQ paranoid schizophrenics.

Your choice, 'James'.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I am now considering the possibility that you and Markimus may in fact be partial to Dugin, but are unwilling to come out in the open and admit it.

/u/Markimus

He unironically now believes we're both part of a Dugninist plot. And people say comedy is dead.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

lol all I've seen from him is an interview thing he did with Thamster which was somewhat interesting, mostly about reactionary, philosophical and religious kind of stuff moreso than anything to do with him leading world jewry and wanting to eradicate white people though.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Again, I can't help but notice the canned responses of those who defend Dugin (or say that Dugin is too irrelevant to be discussed). They use words like: Obsessed, paranoid, schizo. This almost sounds like they are running off a script.

I am now considering the possibility that you and Markimus may in fact be partial to Dugin, but are unwilling to come out in the open and admit it. Why else would Markimus launch into such an energetic defense of the man? This is especially unusual given his history of low effort posts.

[–]Minedwe 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I don't like Dugin. NazBol is, for all intents and purposes, a (contradictory) meme ideology, eurasianism is gay as fuck, and as I said Dugin has so few unironic followers it deosn't fucking matter.

I think everyone here knows that any ideology with the word "Bolshevism" in it is an enemy, we here aren't that retarded.

Also, if a ton of people are saying the same thing to you, maybe it's because the average person/member of the group in question would say that? it's like saying "Why does everyone call me a 'homo' and a 'faggot' when I fuck other men?? There must be a conspiracy here!"

[–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Again, I can't help but notice the canned responses of those who defend Dugin (or say that Dugin is too irrelevant to be discussed).

Dugin is rather irrelevant but he's also wrong. It's perhaps worth mentioning that at least in my experience generally, though especially lately, I have seen a lot of people trying to smear others as "Duginists" and then posting stuff like your OP image in order to make their target look bad by association. This might explain why you were on the receiving end of a stronger reaction.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've seen it in the fasciTrad kosher part of the alt-right all too often. There are thousands of people in the alt-right that are pro-Dugin.

[–]TheJamesRocket[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And that is the strange thing. Dugins political ideology smacks heavily of Neo-Bolshevism, and it is also critical of the West and of white civilisation. Why are people like this participating in the alt-right? They could get invited in to any number of different Socialist groups, so what is it that draws them to us? They must have the intention to either convert or subvert us.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Convert and subvert us, even unaffilated Christians, indeed. Dugins despising of white culture and white people (Caucasians) is no different than the Zionist Jews who preach similar things. But Dugin is Jewish and a frequenter of Jewish congresses and pundit of Eurasianist Zionism. It appears, that the east vs. west war, if it is a real war, is a war between Multilateralist Zionists (whether neo-Bolsheviks, Stalinists or not) vs. mostly unipolar neo-Trotskyite Neoconservatives, mostly Jewish and particularly Zionist.

Both groups don't care about the US or the constitution. Both are willing to subvert, infiltrate and destroy what little left reamins of your democratic republic.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I know, right, it is telling.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Mute then. Dugin is a Bolshevik Jew. You don't have to care!