Attention Idiots: If you want the State to stop parents from letting kids trans themselves, you are not actually 'pro-parental-rights'. Try to find another slogan that is less stupid.

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[–]TitsAndWhiskeyRepublican Party 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The state has overstepped its bounds by illegally acting in loco parentis to circumvent informed consent when it comes to transing children.

That is a violation of parental rights.

Not sure what mental gymnastics you need to make it something else, but that’s the reality.

[–]passionflounderIndependent 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Apparently OP is pushing the narrative that opposition to the current perversion industry centers on a parent's right to allow their kids to transition. It's a clever bit of subterfuge... as though there's an actual parental right to give blessing to a child deciding to undergo dangerous hormone therapy and consider being medically mutilated to ensure they can never have children and not have it meet a standard of parental neglect.

[–]TitsAndWhiskeyRepublican Party 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Personal feelings on the ethics of transing kids aside, it’s still a clear violation of parental rights to allow a minor to make any such decision without parental consent.

[–]DrRaccoon[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not trying to 'make it' anything. I'm against transitioning kids and indoctrination, but 'parental rights' is not a consistent principle to invoke

It would also be a violation of parental rights to have the state stop parents from letting kids transition because other people think it is a bad idea. Thats having the state override a parent and a doctor, which I'm not saying is 'bad', but certainly is not consistent with the principle of parental rights.

What people are really objecting to is indoctrination - ideology being taught in school. You don't need to invoke parental rights to say the state should not be indoctrinating kids with a chosen ideology. I have the same objection to christians teaching intelligent design and christians stuff in schools - thats ideology, it has no place in schools. Parents can teach ideology at home or take them to church, school is for teaching other stuff.

Saying the state needs to override parental decision making is not pro-'parental-rights'. People should not be transitioning kids, but that is not a 'pro-parental right' stance

Its not logically consistent to invoke parental rights as an objection to indoctrination, and then turn around and object when parents make bad decisions you don't like. Its pure hypocrisy, invoke consistent principles.

This is a 'state-indoctrination-in-schools' issue, not a 'parental-rights' one if you want to also object to transing kids, because that would violate the principle you already invoked. You are the one doing mental gymnastics trying to justify holding two contradictory stances

[–]TitsAndWhiskeyRepublican Party 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, try to be less stupid, then.

[–]FilthyZinester 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"Trans themselves" ?

[–]DrRaccoon[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is there an issue with using trans as a verb? It seems to make sense grammatically. I don't care what a consenting adult wants to do with their own body, have at it, but this language policing bullshit is getting ridiculous.

If they have a philosophical right to their wacky gender ideology, I have a right to mine, and I shouldn't be forced to pay lip service to their transgender ideology any more than I should be able to force them to conform to biological gender norms

[–]Dune1032 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gender identity is biological. Consequently, the State can't do anything to change it. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6677266/