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[–]JulienMayfair 39 insightful - 3 fun39 insightful - 2 fun40 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

No, I can't vote for Trump. Even more than gay rights at this point, I care about the planet and the natural environment, and Trump's anti-environmentalist policies are unacceptable to me. Second is healthcare. I'm self-employed and have bought my health insurance for the last few years via the exchange. While not perfect, the ACA has been important for me. Republicans refuse to do anything about healthcare. Trump said he would repeal the ACA and replace it with something better. Four years later, we still haven't heard word one about what that would be.

While I might agree with Trump on a few principles, it's not enough to outweigh the fact that he's basically a horrible human being, unqualified for his job, most of which is done by the people around him who cover for him.

And his response to COVID was to drop the ball.

The TQ+ agenda is annoying, but it's not more important to me than protecting the planet.

[–]ShotTopic 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

^ this 100%

[–]Feather 25 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

No. His behaviors have inflicted a 200k+ death toll in the course of months, and I don't trust him with the nuclear codes. There are things (many things) that matter more than what TRAs are up to.

[–]CheesyPeas 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

'and I don't trust him with the nuclear codes. '

And with this statement you have just outed yourself as a reactionary. Imagine thinking this.

'His behaviors have inflicted a 200k+ death toll in the course of months'

How exactly? By what exact specific mechanism.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah I find the outrage about the death toll really silly. The death toll projections back in March were in the millions, so if anything, it's a miracle the numbers are as low as they are. And it's the state-level that is in charge of the covid response (and all the states with the worst numbers are Democrat-run).

There also weren't any hospitals that got overrun and nobody was denied a ventilator (i.e. triage) like what happened in Italy.

So I really don't know why people keep blaming Trump for covid.

[–]Feather 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The death tolls in the millions were projections for if nobody did anything. They were the, "If everyone behaved just like normal indefinitely, this is how many people would die," numbers. And they were true. If we'd all behaved exactly like normal, it would have been millions. Instead, we've had a coronavirus season that's 4x as deadly as a bad flu season even while we have mostly shut down our economy. "200k dead when most people don't even go out" = "Millions dead if we had behaved like normal."

It's wrong when people say, "We shouldn't have protected ourselves; things aren't as bad as people said they could be," because the truth is, "Things aren't as bad as people said they could be, because many of us protected ourselves."

There were some overrun hospitals. You do not live in NYC or certain cities in Texas, correct?

State-level responses were hindered by the federal government confiscating masks that states had paid for and ordered in order to resell those masks at a profit. Northeastern states then had to get masks for their medical workers in rather creative and/or shady ways after the federal government took the masks the states had already paid for.

I don't blame Trump for the existence of Covid. Obviously not. The guy has nothing to do with a virus coming into existence and being dangerous and contagious, nor is he at fault for how badly China handled it at the start. He also isn't at fault for the stupid media storm in the U.S. near the beginning, where the liberal-leaning media AND the CDC AND the WHO claimed masks were useless and silly and unscientific and "BUT THE FLU." (I believe they claimed these things in a fruitless attempt to avoid a mask shortage for medical workers. They didn't think far ahead enough to realize, "Medical workers actually won't need as many masks if all our citizens cover their faces and therefore inhibit spread and, if we lie about masks now, people might not wear masks later.")

But now we've got a whole bunch of morons who think it's a hate crime against both Trump and God if they cover their mouth and nose with a thin, breathable piece of fabric. If he only put a mask on his face and said, "If you love me, you'll wear a mask like I do," this pandemic would have been under control months ago.

If all of us - the liberal-leaning media, the WHO, Trump, everyone - had behaved better, we wouldn't have anything close to a two-hundred-thousand death toll.

If we'd all worn masks - and, again, our lack of doing that is the shameful responsibility of so many people other than Trump - it could have been 20k instead of 200k.

[–]Feather 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't enjoy political debates and so I won't get into one, but I'll give you a response and then won't respond again.


I don't enjoy or gain any emotional validation from political debates because political debates happen for only four reasons:

  1. To understand each other and communicate. This reason is non-aggressive and kind and usually occurs between people who already feel affection for each other.

  2. To convince the other person they are wrong. (This pretty much never works unless you are kind towards the other person AND already have a trusting relationship with them AND are listening to them to such a degree that you are willing to be convinced that you are wrong.)

  3. To convince bystanders that the other person is wrong and "win" and then feel good about how right you were and how bad you wrecked the other person.

  4. To ruin family parties since what's the point of gathering together and eating a turkey if you aren't all screaming by the end?

I typically only enjoy and find value in Point 1, so generally I don't debate unless Point 1 is an option.


  • When it comes to the nuclear codes, I do not trust his temperament. I think he is a mentally and psychologically unstable human being. It's not actually a Republican vs. Democrat thing for me. I hate Pence's politics and beliefs, but I would trust him with the nuclear codes because I believe he is a stable human being with consistent values (even if I disagree with those values). Whereas I believe Trump is a volatile, amoral, value-less creature.

  • When it comes to the death toll of two-hundred-thousand U.S. citizens, I admit that it did not start out as his fault. It's very much the fault of the WHO and the CDC and the "smart, science-loving" liberal-leaning media, which insisted early on that masks are silly and useless and "BUT THE FLU." I lost friendships early on in the because my "smart" "liberal" friends thought I was an insane right-wing conspiracy theorist for saying, "Hey, how about masks? It seems like the countries where people wear masks are doing well." They thought I was a right-wing-fucking-racist who hated East Asians and didn't understand "SCIENCE" for insisting that everyone should cover their mouths and noses. It was absolutely infuriating and I will never forget what it was like to be Cassandra among supposedly intelligent people who I thought cared about me.

  • But. Trump. The dude dismantled so much infrastructure related to potential pandemics and now the guy can't just cover his fucking face and so we've got all these dipshits who think masks are liberal Democrat attempts to keep them from breathing, or something, and the pandemic is a hoax. For some reason only God knows, his fundraising team got my email address and I got an email saying how Obama is the one who took apart the pandemic team and how Sleepy Joe and Phony Kamala are anti-vaxxers. I. Just. Can't. Even. We have recordings of this ass saying to Woodward, who took down Nixon, that the pandemic is a big deal, way worse than the flu, and that he likes to downplay it.

It's not right. Pandemics shouldn't be political. The left made it political back when they said he was a racist for blocking flights from China. The right has made it political by saying it's a hoax from "the Libs." It's not political. it's a little viral particle that, if it were sentient, would have loved the left back when the left said it was racist to block flights from China and dumb to wear masks, and would now love the right for suggesting that masks are an infringement on Freedom(tm).

Hmm. This turned into a rant about the coronavirus. Anyway, I respect your point of view - good people can disagree for honorable reasons - and will not respond further for reasons I already explained above.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So the fact that we have had no new wars since he took office doesn't resonate with you at all?

[–]CleverNickName 23 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

American LGBs, you won't be able to restore sanity to the gender/sexuality debate if you vote for a narcissistic lunatic who is too busy getting Americans killed from a mostly-avoidable (but very real) virus, too distracted by thinking about fucking his own daughter while definitely not thinking about anyone fucking girldick, and generally too stupid to even understand what is even going on in the world, the LGB world or any other world.

I know I'm whispering into a hurricane here, but Jesus fucking Christ how is this even a question.

You're also shooting yourselved in the foot. If a Republican administration doesn't pass any of those stupid gender-laws, it'll only give the TRAs even more ammo, even more reason to shout loudly in the street about how persecuted they are, how "now more than ever" they need to FIGHT for their rights. We also know there is some shady money behind the TRAs, and you really think a single Republican is gonna vote against some gender-bullshit they give zero shits about, if a handful of dollars float their way?

At least the stupid equally-corrupt detached from society filthy Democrats sometimes look at a scientific study and statistics and act accordingly. There is a tiny chance someday a Democrat admin isn't gonna go completely overboard with the trans-hugging. Because there is also a chance the USA will still be a country by then.

[–]BEB 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's what I'm worried about too - that once the GOP figures out that Trans, Inc., is actually very homophobic and misogynistic they will embrace it.

The Republicans already have their own version of the homophobic misogynistic Equality Act in the US House. Sponsored by three Utah Mormons, and we know how LGB friendly Mormons were...

[–]8bitgay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not American either, but here in my country so many left candidates have used LGB issues for years to get votes... While basically forgetting about us after they get elected.

The TQ+ cause might have advanced quickly within our communities, but I doubt straight politicians who only started showing interest about the TQ+ cause in the past few years will keep their interest in the cause after they already get their votes.

[–]julesburm1891 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

The Republican, Democrat, and libertarian candidates all suck this time around, so we don’t really have any great choices.

Biden: I’ve voted Democrat every other election of my life. However, the party has become so insane that I refuse to vote for Biden. I am particularly worried about Biden’s eagerness to pander to the trans community at the expense of women.

Jorgensen: If Gary Johnson was running on the Libertarian ticket, I’d vote for him. Instead, they’ve got Jorgensen, who can’t even give a coherent interview. I’m not going to throw a vote away on someone who has no chance of winning and doesn’t even campaign well.

Trump: I never, ever thought I’d say this. Trump is an idiot, but I think he’s actually an idiot who will do less damage than Biden. I think I’m going to bite the bullet and vote for him.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

if the Dems had chosen literally any candidate other than Biden and maaybee bloomberg, they'd have this election in the bag. Pete, and not because he's gay, is so far central that all the leftist sheep would vote him by default because they always vote blue, no matter who, and a lot of the centrist or even right wing people that are tired of Trump's shit would vote for Pete as well. But then the left had to follow their agenda and throw an older, whiter man than trump on the ballot who is still a millionaire that doesn't care about the middle class.

They chose one of two people possible that might actually lose to trump, when everyone else could've won by a landslide

[–]BEB 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't think Mayor Pete would have been a good choice if the Dems wanted to win. There is still a hidden undercurrent of homophobia in the US, especially among some immigrant groups.

Also, on Bill Maher's show, Mayor Pete named allowing transgender children to pee in the bathroom of their choice as one of his top priorities. It could have been his top priority. Maher rightly called him out for his nonsense, but still, it showed that Mayor Pete is as full of gender ideology cant as the rest of the Democrats.

Biden is a terrible choice. And I feel that he was chosen from up high, not that voters chose him.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

With the way the superdelegates work, I don't think any democratic candidates have ever actually been chosen by popular vote unless the people accidentally wanted what was rigged to happen anyway

[–]BEB 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I tuned out of this election because I've been so depressed about the Democrats pushing the Equality Act and gender ideology laws at every level from the local to the federal.

[–]julesburm1891 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Dems need to stop playing identity politics and obsessing over social issues most people don’t care about. They need to find center and focus on jobs, healthcare, and the deficit. They’re turning off the majority of moderates to pander to a loud minority left.

[–]chazzstrong 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

For the first time in my life, I'm voting for a yes.
I agree with a lot of Trump's policies, given that despite the platform he's FAR more of a Liberal than most who now occupy the 'left', including shrinking federal oversight and giving states more reach-of-arm to policy themselves. I am also for law and order, I approve of his policies regarding transgenders in the military, and while I don't like his foreign policy or his business bailouts I VERY MUCH appreciate his hard-line stance against the corruption growing within the Democrat party. I was firmly against him in 2016, but I liked Hillary even less, so I didn't vote...but now, given the counter-culture he is battling against, not to mention the absolute INSANITY of the constant baseless allegations against him, he seems like our best bet.

Given WHO keeps levering these charges and accusations against him, some of the most powerful and corrupt old-money families in the world, it seems to me that whatever he is doing is putting us in the right direction. I reject globalism and communism, I reject the bullshit 'climate change' scare tactics ( as do a vast number of actual climate experts ), I reject identity politics....for all his faults, and yes he has quite a few, Trump seems like the best candidate for me.

I put up with the Warmongering Bush's, the rapist Clinton and the liar Obama, I can handle a narcissistic asshole with a Twitter fetish as long as he gets the job done.

[–]BEB 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So him basically advocating to defund Social Security doesn't bother you?

His and the GOP COVID handout to big corporations rather than small businesses and Americans doesn't bother you?

His tax cuts that proportionately benefited corporations and the 0.1% but will eventually leave our economy in shambles doesn't bother you?

BTW: we are still recovering from Reganomics and George the IIs tax cuts to the very wealthy. Although, the word "recovered" probably isn't the right word. "Suffering from" is better.

And I hate the Democrats too, but occasionally they'll do something about healthcare or the environment.

I swear, Americans don't deserve America.

[–]chazzstrong 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, none of that bothers me, because it's all hyper-partisan posturing and 'what ifs'. I don't deal in 'what ifs', I deal in facts.
I've already stated my thoughts on Trump's business bailouts, even though with the current stimulus it's not him or the Republicans trying to pad that bill with bailout money but rather the Democrats, and you're so far off-base about his stance on social security I don't know what to do other than point you towards actual research instead of relying on the biased media to fund your talking points.

However, Americans are the ONLY people who deserve 'America'. We own it, the good and the bad, especially nowadays given that we are the last bastion of true freedom left in the world.

[–]MadLass 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I feel like I understand and agree with a lot of what you are saying but climate change (healthcare a close second) is my #1 issue so I am very torn. I wish voting independent or green was a viable option. Unfortunately even with Biden in I dont think it will be enough. This election has me super depressed and never have I questioned my political alignments this much in my entire life.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 17 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 5 fun -  (8 children)

It's sad. Democrats are pro-trans and pro mass muslim immigrations. And republicans are pro corporations in a country where a shitty system when not even healthcare is universal.If I were american, I would probably care more about issues like healthcare and such. But Biden is corporate sell-out too. So, if I were american, I would try to migrate to Canada LMAO

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

For us it does not matter that much, but republicans also against abortions and other women issues.

USA political system is just stupid - it is full monopoly of 2 parties. Parties chosing candidates, and then people are voting for them. And not even voting directly, because if one State will vote 99% for one candidate, and other two state 51% for other, other will win, even thought two times less people voted for them. And there no way to get third party or candidate you can like, it is all chosen for you already long before that, so people just selecting between two evils.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah, here in Italy, the right isn't made of crazy religious anti-abortion fanatics. USA just are too extremist in everything.

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Well, when two parties have full monopoly for hundred of years, obviously they both got corrupt.

[–]ShotTopic 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I legitimately have family moving to Canada if Trump is re-elected. (They already have dual US/Canadian citizenship but haven't lived in Canada in decades).

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 10 insightful - 5 fun10 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

I don't think Trump will be reelected, but I doubt your situation will improve with Biden. In general North American sounds shitty place to live for me,Europe is much cooler.

[–]ShotTopic 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm pretty pessimistic about our future regardless of who wins the presidency. I miss how Obama being elected made me feel - yknow, actually having hope.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

In my country there is a saying that "the one who lives in hope dies hopeless" lol But I get you.

[–]BEB 17 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Trump has gutted food safety standards.

Become a vegetarian fast would be my advice, but even your vegetables will be contaminated with who knows what crap, which might be literal crap.

And forget about tap water. I would say dig a well, but that will be contaminated too.

And you must not like breathing fresh air. BRING BACK SMOG!!!

Trump and the Republicans took the COVID bailout and handed it to billion dollar corporations instead of that little family restaurant you loved and YOU.

Corporate welfare is OK with you - billions of dollars given to companies with billions of dollars that offshore their profits and pay 0 taxes, while you sit with tens of millions of other Americans on a bread line?

He doesn't read his intelligence briefings yet has access to the nuclear codes.

He called soldiers suckers, while his own fat ass sat it out because "bone spurs."

Trump is threatening to quash Election Night "insurrections" - anyone who's wanting to vote for the Donald ever heard of Tiannemen Square?

Trump changed the position of a hurricane with a marker.

He has lied so many times (is it 15,000 or so confirmed lies, or maybe even more) he can't remember his lies.

I'm reading these comments incredulously.

If you look at my comment history you can see my issues with the Democrats (tl;dr I hate them), but seriously, you're that scared of some paid agent provacateurs running around downtown Portland that you think that Donald Trump and the crony capitalism Republicans who literally work for the 0.1%, can be counted on to save you?

I have traveled a lot and lived in other countries. If we re-elect Donald and the Republicans we get the Banana Republic we deserve.

[–][deleted] 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I would never vote for Trump and do not think highly of people who do.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

That's nice.

[–]SedateApe 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

The TRA and TQ+WTF issues won't have any influence on my voting (again) for Trump.

Presently the TRA and the TQ+WTF crowd have the ear of the Democratic Party and socialists minded liberals. But so does BLM and ANTIFA. Inviting bad guests to a party does not make for a good time 😀

What peeked my interest in Trump is his no nonsense (or no bullshit) way of telling people who he feels. Be those people the media talking heads, heads of countries, members of international organizations, or the plumbers and farmers and teachers that show up at his rallies.

His policy ideas make sense and many are working, although he doesn't get credit (which he doesn't seem to really care about) or we don't hear much about them though the bias social media platforms and main stream media.

Of course all you really have to do is look toward the leadership of the Democratic Party and you'll see that, no matter your true feelings about Trump, what Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Adam (full of) Schiff, and Joe Biden are offering is raising taxes higher then they were, outsourcing more American jobs, increasing the size of the federal government, allowing socialist ideas to take over and destroy what started as an experiment more than 240 years ago. An experiment that has worked for this country. An experiment that other countries want to emulate.

It ain't perfect. But we make it work. And I want to see it keep on working.

[–]BEB 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I hate both parties, the current GOP more for sure, but does it bother you at all that Trump has no respect for the rule of law and behaves more like a tin pot dictator than a president?

For instance, his violations of the Emolument's Clause of the Constitution?

His threats to round up opponents and journalists and quash an "insurrection" on Election Night?

The fact that he makes up his own facts, like when he moved the hurricane with his marker?

The many credible rape charges against him and his use of Attorney General Barr as his personal lawyer, which is more suited to a King Donald in the 12th century than a president?

His embezzling money from charities and siphoning off the 9/11 First Responders health fund?

Every day Donald Trump shows that he's a demented narcissist whose only concern is his own bottom line, one who will destroy a country to keep his own fat ass out of jail.

Sometimes, like now, I truly despair at the American educational system and its apparent lack of history, especially world history, and civics classes.

[–]fuck_reddit 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

This is probably unpopular here, but I was planning on voting Trump regardless of his LGB stances because of his economic success and foreign policy successes (especially in the last month). That said, from what I know of his personal life and business career, I support him on LGB issues as well. I know people will point to how the DoJ argued before the SCOTUS, but I frankly agree that sexuality and "gender expression" are not covered under sex-based legal protections. I would prefer amending the law over lazily re-interpreting it. Also, I supported the ban on trans people that have begun their transition serving in the military. He's also making battling HIV and the criminalization of homosexuality internationally a major issue and, frankly, I never expected any president to do that. For me, that shows his character because he's doing more for LGB people internationally than Stonewall, GLAAD, the HRC, etc. combined. Edit: he's also elevated very competent LGB people to high positions (Rick Grenell was the first openly-gay cabinet member and he's one of the most successful people in the US gov. rn).

[–]BEB 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My job for a long time was to pay attention to world events, especially the Middle East. Trump is not having foreign policy successes in the Middle East. If anything, he is making the situation even more fraught.

[–]ShotTopic 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely not. I'm not a fan of Biden but I'm still voting solid blue. Trans stuff has zero influence on politics for me, there's so many more important issues to worry about.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I am not American, but if I was, well, I probably would vote for Trump. He doesn’t pander to the T, but the dems do. But let’s be honest, all this TQ stuff has still been accelerating under his presidency, mostly because of TQ-supporting governors, mayors, councillors, politicians, judges, doctors, professors, celebrities, lobbyists and media companies. Trump is not going to be able to stop this on his own. Ordinary US citizens need to stand up, get together, collectivise and put a stop to the madness. Bombard politicians with warnings. Boycott. Protest. Don’t send your kids to college. Don’t let kids use social media until they are 16.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Same. I'm not American but I'd vote for him (and I completely despised him just a few months ago). The BLM movemnt sent me digging for facts about how racist America actually is (I'm Canadian so I have no clue), and was shocked to see all the amazing things he's done for the black community (first step act prison reform, the lowest unemployment rate for black people in years, school choice, opportunity zones, music modernization act), he stands up against the CCP (which unfortunately controls the Canadian government and the CBC), he's standing up for women-only rape shelters and preventing human trafficking. This is way more than we have in Canada. He's also the first president in my lifetime not to start a new conflict or war. Oh! And you guys have the most important thing: free speech. It seems like Trump is one of the only leaders of the western world defending it right now, and this should be the most important issue. You can tell it is for a lot of people if you look up #walkaway on youtube.

Hopefully the US stands up to marxist ideology and Canada can follow by undoing all the mistakes our government has made (and maybe we can get our free speech back). Marxism is already here. It's scary. The thought of Biden winning and putting through protections for gender identity as his first step sends shivers down my spine. If you guys get forced speech put into law like Canada did with Bill C 16, it'll be very difficult for both countries to go back (IMO) because things will keep going down a slippery slope until things get REALLY bad (as a potential example: evolution no longer being taught in science class because people are triggered or think it's "transphobic", or science teachers potentially being jailed). If Trump wins, it at least means some hope for us repealing Bill C16 sometime soon and stopping a marxist system before it progresses too far.

Please Americans, don't let your country become like Canada, UK, or Australia where you can be fined by the cops and potentially arrested for liking a tweet, making a facebook post, or misgendering someone. Canada wants to make it illegal simply to suggest therapy for trans children and teens. We can't even have a poster saying "I love JK Rowling" without censorship taking it down. The US is the last domino standing when it comes to free speech. There's a reason why the Hong Kong protestors wave Trump flags. This was Montreal yesterday, and there was another rally like it at parliament hill a few weeks ago. I know this is a long post, but I just want Americans to know... Trump: he's not that bad.

edit: Many people in this thread keep mentioning the environment... Trump's 2020 campaign promises to clean up the oceans in his next term. And considering he's actually followed through with a bunch of the stuff he promised the first time around (like the wall), I kind of believe him?? He's narcissistic enough to want that accomplishment under his belt.

[–]SerpensInferna 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I wish I could give you a million likes. We are on a very dangerous precipice and so many of my leftist friends don't seem to understand the insane danger BLM and freaking marxism currently pose. The thought of a Biden presidency legitimately terrifies me.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I feel your pain. Ireland has freedom of speech for now, but a lot of politicians want to take that right away from us. Micháel Martin, our current Taoiseach (prime minister), is from a right wing party, but he’s too weak to stand up to the woke crowd. Our previous Taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, is from a different political party that is also right wing, even more right wing than the current Taoiseach's party. However, Varadkar is a friend of Justin Trudeau, and he wanted some of our historical statues taken down because they were "racist", even though there is no evidence that they were racist. Those statues commemorate people who helped get our country independence, by the way. Also, Varadkar's party pushed the self-ID gender identity law. Fun fact: Varadkar was against not only gay marriage but also civil partnerships until he came out as gay and support for gay marriage reached 70% in the polls. This is a man with no morals, he believes only in what will get him elected or make lobbyists happy.

I’d gladly swap Micháel Martin for Trump if the Americans don’t want him.

[–]Poppy29252Natal Cat Woman 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)


[–]Glumtree 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I will never vote for Trump. Biden is the lesser of two evils

[–]wokeup 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I'm gay and married to a man. I live in Portland. I'm gonna drive my Prius to Starbucks, get a latté AND go vote for Trump Nov 3rd! And I know more like me. I'd never admit it out loud to anyone.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (31 children)

Between trans issues and what’s going on with the riots and Antifa/blm push for Marxism and burning it all down, I don’t think I can vote for any dems, and I have been voting dem since bill clinton. I think he has done some good stuff that he doesn’t get credit for, and he really is right about his criticisms of the corporate media like cnnn and msnbc. I know woman here feel like he’s not good on women’s issues but I think with the dems comes the tra’s supported by lib fems and I think the damage to women (the definition too) and sex based rights will do lasting damage. I was more worried about Pence than trump on lgb issues, and the assault on lgb from the modern tq will also get worse. He could have handled COVID better but the political games the dems and the media are playing make me sick. Because of dem mismanagement in my city my uncle dies in a nursing home because COVID patients were put there too apparently. And while his family couldn’t visit him or even have a funeral, blm was allowed to have fiery but “mostly peaceful” protests all crowded together with dem approval. And the pelosi mask incident... a setup lol. I see the critical race and critical queer theory as a threat to western freedoms, and its full steam ahead with those things with dems. I’m more afraid of what they will do to western societies than I am of climate change tbh. I grew up with liberal dem trump as a ny figure so I don’t see Him as as the hitler figure that he is portrayed as. I wouldn’t normally vote for him but the dems are just going to far left for me to follow, and joe Biden is in decline mentally. With him we would be elect a moderate but it wouldn’t be a moderate in control of the executive branch.

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

Whatever nefarious force(s) is actually pushing the Defund the Police and BLM stuff, as well as Trans, Inc., is not working for the Democrats.

It's all, especially the rioting designed to make the Democrats look bad, and it's worked.

The Democrats are fucking stupid with their identity politics, but the GOP will destroy what's left of the middle and working class.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

The dems actually embrace the things you say they don't though.

Also the ACA was the biggest kick in the teeth to the working class since Nixon took us off the gold standard.

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Trump promised to get rid of the the ACA (Obamacare) and bring us a much better health care plan. Where is it?

Trump has had four years and a Republican congress for half of it - where is Trump's super-duper health care, the best ever plan?

If you fancy dying of some easily curable disease that your insurance company refuses to pay for because... pre-existing condition or whatever, then vote Trump and the Republicans back in.

You'll be in good company because as the Republicans give COVID relief to their corporate pals, and not to small and medium businesses and AMERICAN CITIZENS, there will be millions of us on the street dying together.

I hate the Dems. But the Republicans have morphed into a party that only care about the 0.1%

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

In regards to ACA yes nothing has been done with that and hopefully it gets addressed in his second term. The same argument could be made for Obama in his first two years when he had a fillibuster proof majority and all he did was pass the ACA which was trash. No prison reform, No major tax overhaul, nothing. In fact inequality got worse, as it has for a while now. Almost as if, I know this might be a shocker to you, the president can't do everything. If he could, we would be living in a dictatorship.

I fail to see how your argument against the GOP holds any water considering the Dems are as beholden to the 1% as the GOP is. It's not like one party alone got us to where we are. If the Dems REALLY cared wouldn't they have actually fixed healthcare instead of give a fat cash handout to insurance companies?

Like I said, I vote Libertarian usually. It's tiring to listen to self righteous, ignorant people like you claim that their party is better with the only argument in favor being fear and half truths.

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (17 children)

I didn't vote for Obama - I am not even a Democrat - and have huge problems with what he did in Libya, Yemen, and other things, but I have actually seen Obama speak in person and I've interacted with Trump twice.

There is no comparison - Obama is obviously brilliant and he truly seemed to care about Americans.

Trump is a fucking buffoon. If I saw Trump walking down the street I would cross the street and cross myself, even without being Catholic. Maybe get some garlic and a stake.

Obama had to fight to get the ACA/Obama Care passed against some of the most powerful lobbies in the US, and had to compromise - as you said yourself, a president can't do everything.

When I was canvassing for the Democrats in 2018 (because I hate the current Republican party just that much) many of the people I spoke with actually loved Obama Care without knowing that their new health plan had been provided by the Hated Barack Hussein.

And I've seen that borne out in polls - that dumbo Republican Americans hated "Obamacare" but loved Obamacare, which they were too stupid to know were the same thing.

And seriously, we're on an anonymous message board, you have no idea what experiences other posters have so please refrain from attacking them personally.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

There is no comparison - Obama is obviously brilliant and he truly seemed to care about Americans.

Obama isn't really brilliant. He's just smooth. He's also super corrupt and could care less about the American people. $120,000,000 paycheck the first year out of office? Give me a break.

Trump is a fucking buffoon. If I saw Trump walking down the street I would cross the street and cross myself, even without being Catholic. Maybe get some garlic and a stake.


Obama had to fight to get the ACA/Obama Care passed against some of the most powerful lobbies in the US, and had to compromise - as you said yourself, a president can't do everything.

Yes, he fought for dogshit and shat right in middle America's mouth.

When I was canvassing for the Democrats in 2018 (because I hate the current Republican party just that much) many of the people I spoke with actually loved Obama Care without knowing that their new health plan had been provided by the Hated Barack Hussein.

That's nice. My amazing plan of $40 a month is now over $400 a month and my new plan is dog. Also partisanship is nothing new. There have been plenty of video's showing people 100% agreeing with a plan and then finding out it was from Trump and doing a complete 180. You are very partisan already so I'm not sure how well this is going to land with you.

And I've seen that borne out in polls - that dumbo Republican Americans hated "Obamacare" but loved Obamacare, which they were too stupid to know were the same thing.

Polls? LOL ok. Again your partisanship is showing.

And seriously, we're on an anonymous message board, you have no idea what experiences other posters have so please refrain from attacking them personally.

By what saying you are ignorant and arrogant? Give me a break. Your entire stance is dripping with both of the aforementioned attributes. I'd say the same thing to your face if you had the guts to actually speak this way in person.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Like this is what I mean when I agree with now many others that the Far Right Trump Groupies, as exemplified by you, deserve the Antifa morons. You are both angry, violent and immune to logic.

Why don't you on the Far Right and the Far Left go fight it out on an island and leave the rest of us alone?

[–]dramasexual 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (9 children)

Trump is not far right lmao

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The first time I interacted with Trump, decades ago, he was a liberal New Yorker.

And a failure. Donnie Dimbulb was a failed real estate speculator (even though he had been given a fortune by his dad) and tied to the heinous Roy Cohn and the New Jersey/ New York mob.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You are a perfect example of why I don't join the left. I disagree with you and all of a sudden I'm a far right violent extremist who deserves violence upon them. Absolutely pathetic.

Feel free to point to anything, anything at all, were I've advocated or promoted violence.

Also calling someone who has same sex attraction "far right" prooves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you are dillusional.

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Your last sentences in your previous post - something about saying things face-to-face, which would make one think that you feel that political differences should be solved by violence.

And, I don't know how many times I have to say this, far from being on "the Left," I AM NOT EVEN A DEMOCRAT.

[–]dramasexual 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

If the Dems wanted not to look bad they could have tried not openly supporting domestic terrorism lmao. If BLM and antifa were running around being the exact same monsters, but the dems were roundly condemning this horseshit, it wouldn't be rebounding on them like this. They look bad because they are bad.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This is what is so wrong with this country: voters vote out of irritation on the small issues, rather than in their best interests.

The Republicans are allowing El Donaldo to destroy the rule of law. That sets a precedent for Presidents, and will destroy what's left of our representative republic.

Have any of you ever left the country?

Have you ever been a country where the oligarchs rule?

That will be America if Don the Con "wins."

[–]dramasexual 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

small issues

Widespread domestic terrorism is a "small issue" in your view?

Have you ever been a country where the oligarchs rule?

Yeah brah America is already like that. Elections are about picking which ruling oligarchs we hate least. I gotta hand it to the dems, it was not easy to make Trump the lesser of two evils. They really had to put their back into it.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

America, under the Republicans, is rapidly becoming an oligarchy, but is nowhere near as bad as other countries.

Trump wants to be King Donald I (with Don Jr. next) - thanks for making him that.

My apologies to all who fought the Revolutionary War.

[–]dramasexual 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Oh I'm sure he wants to. He can't, though. I find it funny that you're shitposting about Donald Trump vs the "rule of law" when you have the opposing party backing actual anarchist terrorists actively burning down cities. You should look into what Donald Trump has actually done. He's a stupid narcissist, but he's not actually Hitler. And the democrats are absolutely not your friend.

Also, calm down. People disagreeing with you on the internet is not the end of the world.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have traveled a lot, and for years my job was to pay attention to what was happening around the world.

So, as someone who actually watched in real time as countries went down the tubes, I am truly worried about Donnie Fatso and the Fat Cat Republicans retaining power.

[–]dramasexual 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Again, zero concern about widespread domestic terrorism backed by one of two ruling parties.

"Donnie Fatso" isn't giving me great confidence in your objectivity or reasonability here tbh.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It was working for a long time, as BLM raised a billion dollars, and corporations and media jumped on the bandwagon to support blm. But americans were seeing the looting and rioting that the media was trying to hide and now it's starting to backfire. Who was the rioting designed by? Not sure what you mean there. I still say the postmodern critical race/queer theory stuff is a bigger threat, IMO. We are teaching generations to hate their own country and not see any value in it, so that if it fell (or we "burn it all down") it wouldn't matter. And values like free speech go with it.

[–]SerpensInferna 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good lord, I pray every night that it backfires big time, far more than it has. As much as I find the religious fundamentalists on the right distasteful, I see Marxism as a very real, huge threat to our beautiful, imperfect country right now and they must be defeated. I feel like I sound like a conspiracy theorist alarmist but the more I dig and read and find out the more horrifying I find our situation.

[–]psufanof2631 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I won't be voting for Democrats anytime soon. They do not care about gay people, only our votes. Otherwise they would stop pandering to the TQ+ and their homophobia. Trump's economic policies are actually decent but he gets none of the credit (" hE's RidINg oBaMa'S cOaTtAiLs") because of the liberal media bias. And I don't believe he's really racist, that's just something the liberals think will magically become true if they repeat it enough. And if we're going to play that game, Joe Biden has said some really racist stuff during this campaign that gets swept under the carpet because again, the media is biased in his (and Democrats') favor.

So yes I will likely vote for Trump. Some of it is based on his policy and some of it is complete disgust with the Democrats.

[–]LesbiSilly 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most likely Biden. Because he is an actual politician. Pence scares me. But not gonna lie, I am tempted to register no party. But on another note, if we equalize the T, then other laws might equally apply. Just because we still have laws against sex offenses and all. T isn't throwing those out. If they stop whining, it will get back to sane.

[–]Shadow_the_Hedgehog 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've never voted before, but this year I may vote for Trump. He's a bumbling fucking moron for sure, but imo he hasn't done anything worse than Obama. I feel the Democratic party has decided to snub its supporters one to many times in favor of idiots on the Twitter instead of actual humans who interact with the world.

We all know Biden probably won't last very long and then diversity hire Super Cop Kamala will be in charge.

As a sidenote: I see a lot of people in this thread blaming Trump for COVID overall and I want to add that COVID responses were left up to the individual states. I highly doubt any of you would be cheering if the federal government actually had demanded all 50 states shut down, since that would be the definition of fascism. If you're unhappy with how your state/city responded to COVID, vote out your governer/mayor. New Yorkers, you have my condolences in particular.

Otherwise, I'll have to research into the independent candidate.

Edit: I'm disappointed but not shocked at the amount of Orange Man Bad And So Are You REEEE in this thread. Please understand there are reasons Trump was elected in the first place. Gender isn't a spectrum but politics are.

[–]Madsea 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I’m not a single issue voter.

As a student of history, there’s nothing that could make me vote for trump. What he’s doing to this country is far too dangerous to allow four+ more years of it.

We’ll sort out the TQ nonsense soon either way, I think.

[–]TovasshiDefinitely a house plant 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm Canadian. It blows my fucking mind that anyone could still support Trump. The US is currently falling apart under his command... people are dying. Homelessness and unemoyment is going up. Medical debts are piling up. International relations are fucked. The economy is fucked. Hes selling out his own people to Russia and you want to vote him back in because you think it's the other party's fault... JFC.

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Republicans defunded education decades ago - you can see the results, huh?

[–]SerpensInferna 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know how I can possibly vote Democrat ever again, and I find a Biden presidency terrifying. A second Trump term is kind of 'meh', so yeah, looks like I'll be voting for Trump.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Trump knew that COVID was deadly - was going to be as deadly as the Spanish Flu - and did nothing.

Trump, with his finger on nuclear trigger, said about nuclear weapons "why not use them if we have them?" - but doesn't read his intelligence briefings.

I lost a young loved one to COVID. He died because Our Fat Fuck in Chief doesn't give a FUCK about Americans, only himself.

And I HATE BIDEN and HARRIS, but I FEAR El Stupido.

[–]Firstbrickwall 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Yes, but the T is not the only factor. Ghe left has been extremely disappointing to the point that the right look more sane to me.

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Trump and the Republicans have gutted food safety standards. But maybe you like drinking lead water?

[–]Willpoll 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

I would vote for trump, but some of his cabinets a little iffy. I like his policies and all but people like pence are a little worrying. Trump was and still is what I guess you would call "progressive" by eighties standards. I may be wrong, but as I remember it he was one of the first big names to come out in support of gay marriage at the time. I think I'll just end up voting for jo jorgensen

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Jorgensen is another gender ideology embracer, if that matters to you.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I'm not voting, but I'm pretty sure he's going to win again.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (6 children)

No way. First time he even got millions of votes less than Hillary. This time, with Biden, he is going to get beaten for sure.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I wish there was an alternate universe where neither of them win.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 10 insightful - 6 fun10 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Warren and Sander would have been way better

[–]dramasexual 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

I would consider Biden to be a worse candidate than Hillary tbh.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It is, but won't suffer for utter sexism and decades of smearing campaign

[–]dramasexual 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Nah, I don't mean I think he'd be a worse president, I mean I think he's a worse candidate in that he has less of a chance of winning. The combination of his very obvious confusion in the middle of sentences, the way he's responded to the riots, Kamala as a VP, and the variety of racist things he's said make him even less appealing than Hillary. And Hillary, frankly, wasn't all that appealing to begin with even without all the sexist shit she got. She was really uncharismatic, but she was at least able to project an air of competence that Biden is completely lacking, imo. And Kamala is an awful-enough VP pick to drag the whole ticket straight down into the ground.

But who knows what will happen. It's 2020, all bets are off. That's just how I see the landscape at this point.

[–]Dravidian 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Boy do I feel weird about sharing a sub with people who are considering voting for Trump. Are you seriously considering a dude who is letting 200000 people die of COVID, is doing his best to be a traitor and a dictator, is a rapist and a child abuser, better than a dude who might, MIGHT listen to TRAs on one or two points MAYBE??

You all really sound entitled. Please think about your fellow lesbians and bi girls and gays of color and don't vote for people who are going to ban abortions rights, women's rights, willing to deport brown people and park children in cages just because YOU don't feel threatened by the orange menace.

[–]SerpensInferna 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

I feel far more threatened by the screeching BLM brainwashed rioters who are literally burning down cities than I do for Trump. As well as the fact that if you spent even half an hour researching Trump's LGBT history you might arrive at a different conclusion. I'm sorry that all you are paying attention to is what CNN and MSNBC are shoving down your throat. As a former Dem, please trust me when I tell you that you are being lied to.

If you are so upset by having to share a god damn sub with people who are voting different than you, often for educated reasons, than I don't know what to tell you.

[–]Dravidian 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Literally burning cities down, are you serious? Maybe you should stop being spoon fed by Fox news.

I'm French, I don't watch your garbage news channels, and you shouldn't either.

[–]dramasexual 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

You're not even American and you're condescending to Americans about events currently happening in America? Shut up.

[–]SerpensInferna 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As an American citizen, who lives just outside of NYC. Yes, literally destroying cities. I can walk down the street and see it with my own eyes. So thank you for your input on what I should or shouldn't do in my own god damn country with terrorists being openly supported by one of our political parties. That's fucking awesome of you.

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Regarding covid, the death projections back in March were in the millions so, if anything, 200k deaths is a huge success in comparison to what was expected. And if you look at deaths per 1M of the population, the US is doing better than UK, Belgium, Spain, Brazil, Chile, and five other countries.

Trump is standing up for women's rights by allowing rape shelters to be same-sex only - even Canada doesn't have these rights, and the US didn't under Obama and won't under Biden. The abortion issue will always be divisive and complicated, edit: especially in the US due to Planned Parenthood's racist and class-based eugenic origins (PP clinics were purposely set up in poor communities to keep their population small. Poor communities at the time were mainly black communities. PP still is, to this day, the reason the black population hasn't grown in the US over the past 100 years due to a disproportionate amount of abortions among the black community). I feel like this deserves a more nuanced conversation.

Trump is the only president to enter office supporting gay marriage. Obama didn't support it until halfway through his second term.

The children in cages stuff started in 2014 under the Obama/Biden administration. The border wall is meant to stop this from happening (since all the children in cages are there because their parents snuck them over the border illegally and then got themselves arrested). And he's not deporting brown people?? Not sure what that's about, unless they're illegal immigrants who broke the law. (And, btw, Biden is a HORRIBLE option for black people - his actions and words of the past shows that he despises them - just look up Biden's 1994 crime bill and compare it to Trump's First Step Act prison reform policy).

And regarding the "Trump is a rapist" thing - I'm not sure if he's ever been charged with rape, but Biden also has his fair share of accusations (look up Tara Reade) and he's SUPER creepy around women and children. They're both shitty when it comes to this, so they kind of cancel each other out.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Trump is in the middle of a rape trial right now with the accuser being very credible.

Trump is using the office of the US Attorney General as his lawyer, which is about as illegal as it gets.

The Democrats really shot the country in the head with their stupid identity politics, because Trump will make this country into a Banana Republic. Wait and see.

Fucking Americans, we really don't deserve America...and I am not saying that to any poster on this sub specifically, I'm saying that to all Americans.

[–]dramasexual 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm planning to. I'm not voting for him so much as voting against the democrats, but same difference really.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

On the off chance he pulls us completely out of the middle east by November. Otherwise no.

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Fucking HATE TRAs screeching about T supremacy. Also fucking hate losing abortion rights. I hate the latter slightly more. D it is, even though it feels slimy.

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I normally vote libertarian but I can't do that this time around. The candidate is just too bad.

I've never voted democratic in my life because I don't agree with identity politics and I have grown up in a very progressive area that was "woke" long before the rest of the country. I've been told, at school, since I was a young child that being male and white was a big problem. I don't think that those people stand for equality and I especially don't think they stand for me in any way, shape or form.

I also haven't voted for the Republican party due to their embracing of far right Christians and the drug war.

Both parties have historically been pro war, pro inflation, pro corporate welfare etc etc. The path this country is on changes very little from one party to the next.

That being said I think Biden is much worse than Trump because Biden promotes the division we see in the streets today. I want unity and I know the democratic party will not give us that. They have made that clear by refusing to acknowledge the good that has come out of the White House in the last 4 years like prison reform, no new wars, A Middle East peace deal, and standing up to China. These are all things that if a democratic president was in office when they happened they would be crowing until the cows came home. They also loved to talk about Obama's fudged deportation numbers (they counted turning people away at the border as deportations and those had never previously been counted that way) as a sign that he was putting US workers first. Now when Trump is in office, the very things that Obama did are now considered the most heinous and racist actions in the world. They even called him racist for implementing a travel ban from China and then quickly backtracked when they got their coveted polling data back.

I'm very torn as to who I'm voting for this election. I might simply just write my own name in on the ballot as a protest vote. If I lived in a swing state I would probably vote for Trump. Not because I like him as a person but because he's the least stinky option on the table.

[–]Cuppatea 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No. He’s been a nightmare for this country.

[–]RippoffOfLoveSStraight | Overuses quotation marks 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I voted for Johnson last election and I'm even more excited about Jo Jorgensen this time around. My advice to anyone would be this: do not vote for someone you don't believe in. We currently have two loser candidates because too many people are voting against the "worse" candidate instead of for a candidate they agree with. If you're left leaning but don't like how the left has embraced new-age homophobia, voting for Trump solves nothing. That vote doesn't vote against the trans ideology; it's a vote condoning the actions of Donald Trump during his first term as president. If you don't like either candidate, don't vote for either. That's the only way to send the message that neither candidate represents you as a voter. I mean, that's effectively what I've been doing by voting Libertarian.

If you think the stakes are too high to think like that, think again. It's that kind of thinking that has got us here in the first place and if it continues it will only get worse.