what are your thoughts on the t?

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outside of thinking we should drop the t, what are your thoughts on the t as a whole?

not counting the q+ because we all know they're awful.

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[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 45 insightful - 1 fun45 insightful - 0 fun46 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The few human beings who have been having obsessive and compulsive thoughts about being trapped in the wrong body since they were small children and having intense dysphoria and thinking they can't live their lives unless they get a sex change NEED INTENSE PSYCHIATRIC HELP. Anyone who would rather be dead than live inside a perfectly healthy male or female human body needs psychiatric help. It's just a body, they need to get over it. There are people in this world stuck in terribly sick, diseased, deformed bodies and they figure out a way to keep living, because they are not obsessed with their bodies.

The psychiatric community has completely failed the T. Instead of helping to fix what's going on inside these patient's heads, through therapy or medication (This doctor was able to help FTM teens desist and accept themselves as butch lesbians through the use of bicalutamide. https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/hp0ee4/so_im_actually_a_doctor_who_specializes_in/) they are just throwing in the towel and allowing these patients to go on a lifetime journey of medical treatments and soul-crushing disappointment. Nobody wants to talk about the suicide rate AFTER these patients have the bottom surgery.

Future generations are going to look back on this era and think we are all barbaric idiots, the same way we look back today at lobotomies.

What do I think about the rest of the T? The pretenders, the autogynephiles, the yaoi addicts, the fetishists? I think these people are assholes. They have completely appropriated a legit mental illness and are actively pushing the real T's out, they actually have the nerve to call the real transsexual people transphobes for daring to question them and call them out.

And of course, the T has no place within the LGB. They need to deal with their own shit. That's why I'm glad trans people like Blaire White and Rose of Dawn are trying to fight back. I would really like the T to officially publicly splinter off into Transsexuals (the ones with the dysphoria) and Transgenders (the assholes) and for Transgenders to be seen as what they really are. They are fetishists with Munchausen syndrome, self-diagnosing themselves and each other with a condition they don't even have, and going so far as to try to get dysphoria removed from the requirements so that they can fit in to the disorder more easily. Not even Munchausen by Proxy moms are trying to redefine disorders to make their kids fit the descriptions more easily, I mean holy shit.

[–]our_team_is_winning 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Standing ovation for that post. I'm sharing it with friends.

I think your last sentence is "Now" not "Not" right?

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Thank you!

It was "Not" (unless you know of a case where a Munchausen by Proxy mom tried to get symptoms of an illness officially changed in order to accommodate her delusions? Then I'm more than happy to change it to "Now.") But then again some of the Munchausen by Proxy moms are also transgender kid moms so...

[–]our_team_is_winning 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It was "Not"

Ah, I see. Yeah, I read it wrong. I was thinking Munchausen moms ARE trans moms, like it's the most trendy condition to fake for attention. Maybe these moms are Genderspecial by Proxy ;) I was glad you mentioned Rose of Dawn too. He seems like a NICE guy. I cannot delude myself that he is woman though.

Loved what you said about people who would rather be dead than live in a healthy body. They really need to work with people in wheelchairs, amputees, the blind -- appreciate what you've got and get psychiatric help for any OCD. You said it!

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Totally agree. You fucking nailed it. Especially this:

Nobody wants to talk about the suicide rate AFTER these patients have the bottom surgery.

And this:

Future generations are going to look back on this era and think we are all barbaric idiots, the same way we look back today at lobotomies.

And:

What do I think about the rest of the T? The pretenders, the autogynephiles, the yaoi addicts, the fetishists? I think these people are assholes. They have completely appropriated a legit mental illness and are actively pushing the real T's out, they actually have the nerve to call the real transsexual people transphobes for daring to question them and call them out.

The writing's on the wall.

[–]joogabahGay shows the way 23 insightful - 4 fun23 insightful - 3 fun24 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

T is for Trojan horse. It is a rollback of women's and gay liberation. It is deeply reactionary and aligned with heterosexuality and the patriarchy. It's "woman face". While anyone should be able to dress or act however they like as long as they aren't hurting anyone, saying it makes them a woman is just false on the face of it, and if they are parodying women it is insulting (like blackface). There is a nuanced case for drag queens that are parodying femininity, which is an unfreedom foisted upon women and criticized by feminists (a kind of progressive mockery of gender - this is how Ru Paul describes it. He doesn't consider himself a woman).

Sex reassignment surgery, a brutality in the same class as lobotomy, was invented by straight doctors and is pure quackery. It is sterilization and genital mutilation for gay people. It is a form of conversion therapy. When people question whether or not one should have to be an adult to opt for it, I think to myself, "should one have to be an adult in order to opt to have their eyeballs scooped out?". That doctors do this to people is shameful. No one should opine on this topic until after they have watched the procedure on YouTube.

The T is the greatest threat to gay and lesbian liberation since the movement began. If it succeeds it erases gays and lesbians. But if it provokes a backlash and fails, it will be perceived as a reaction against the "LGBT" movement, and sweep away freedom and rights for gays and lesbians along with them.

What this demonstrates is that theory is important. Big tent, love everyone politics must not be allowed to ride roughshod over theory - and the most advanced explanation of what gay and lesbian liberation are came from the radical feminists. David Fernbach's "The Spiral Path: A Gay Contribution to Human Survival" is in my opinion the best theoretical elucidation from a gay male perspective.

Radical feminists saw this coming as far back as the 70s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfoYUs4Q3a4

At the end of the clip above, a transsexual (what it was called back then) shouts "gay liberation: screw you!".

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But if it provokes a backlash and fails, it will be perceived as a reaction against the "LGBT" movement, and sweep away freedom and rights for gays and lesbians along with them.

That is why organizations like LGB Allience must appear everywhere and must become louder and louder, making sure that everyone hearing that "TQ+ are not gays and lesbians, TQ+ are attacking gays and lesbians same way or even more severe that they are attacking you all, they are not part of us".

saying it makes them a woman is just false on the face of it

It only empowers gender stereotypes. That "man can not wear make up, so it must be a woman" or "girl can't be engineer and like playing soldiers, so it must be a boy", and so on. Nonbinaries and transgenders are solidifying gender stereotypes and sexism. Homosexuality is their main enemy as well, because homosexuality by just existing already breaking gender role stereotypes, so they need either change it or completely destroy. "LGBTQ+" in reality is "LGBvsTQ+" :D

a brutality in the same class as lobotomy

Worst part is all the mutilated kids in UK and USA. Organizations like Mermaids must pay their price for such human experiments.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is why organizations like LGB Allience must appear everywhere and must become louder and louder, making sure that everyone hearing that "TQ+ are not gays and lesbians, TQ+ are attacking gays and lesbians same way or even more severe that they are attacking you all, they are not part of us".

I see this as very important course of actions, if we do not want to get all LGB achievements to be revoked because of backlash against TQ+.

[–]BiHorror 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My thoughts on them? Revolted most of the time.

Although, I do understand that there is still some (those who actually suffer from the mental illness like the HSTS) who have sex dysphoria, their "treatment" is a croc of shit. Have you seen the suicide rates? Even within communities that are tolerate of them and post op, they're still suicidal. So obviously, something is wrong with this treatment.

Now, for "transgenders," they're just full blown revolting. It doesn't help that their (and other groups) definition of "gender" was taken and based off the works of John Money. Then there's also the attempts to redefine woman/man and sexuality for their fucking delusions. Alongside transing the dead. Be it LGB and/or women. There's the rewriting of history, and using what is majority of non- white cultures as props.

Then there's the death and rape threats towards women especially. The lying ("trans women are getting killed everyday!!!!" But leave out the ACTUAL reasons on what's contributing to their deaths such as sex work), "cotton ceiling," comparing themselves to black people, etc.

Let's not even get started on transing children, trying to get "G"/SD removed from DSM, using intersex conditions as props, and the "cis" bullshit. They're so damn cult-like.

[–]8bitgay 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I have empathy for them. Disliking features of your own body already sucks. I can only imagine how bad it must feel so dislike your entire sex and feel trapped in your own body.

Frankly I think they should be considered a third sex/gender. That way they can live the way they want and have their own spaces. At the same time they wouldn't be taking spaces from other groups. Of course, the community should also be more clear in its definitions of transexuality, and stop saying that people are trans just because they don't conform to gender norms.

I'm sure there are lots of nice trans people out there who don't agree with the TQ+ narrative and don't wanna take spaces from other groups. But I wish they'd be more vocal. If I saw many gay men trying to harass straight men into dating them I wouldn't remain silent.

[–]les4leshomonormative 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree with pretty much all of this, I have a lot of empathy for trans people and I can see most of the time that they're extremely distressed and I think they would largely benefit from psychiatric help for dysphoria. I have trans friends who I like very much. Unfortunately (as usual) an aggressive, harmful vocal minority is setting the tone for the entire community.

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People with distress are actually the minority in the current year. I know dysphoric people and transsexuals, and they are all very angry on current situation, they don't even have the voice in their own community, because crossdressers are now the face of the "T".

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sympathy for those with true gender identity disorder which is now a tiny fraction of the QT+ group. The rest of them are using gender as a pseudo religion.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

this is a trap

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

what

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

I say the wrong thing and the T comes for me...

[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh, I thought you were trying to make a pun. Lol

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I was lol :)

[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gotcha, took me a sec hahaha

[–]slushpilot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There is no "T as a whole" just as there is no "women as a whole" or any other identity. I prefer to engage with: 1. ideas 2. individuals.

I'd rather you ask what I think about some issue, like boys in girls sports, or propagandizing to children. Or about the opinion of what someone said. We can generalize about some things, but not about a whole category of people, especially one as weird and unclassifiable as "the T". I mean, they even disagree about the meaning of words among themselves...

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

true, i should've worded the post better

[–]ThiccDropkickGay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think gender dysphoria is a real thing. But transitioning shouldn't be treated as a fun uwu playing with my gender game, but as a last resort if those feelings can't be alleviated with therapy or don't go away on their own. And it shouldn’t be attempted until someone is 18.

A trans man is a woman who presents as a man for reasons of mental health (and vice versa for trans women). And I can respect that, I've struggled with depression most of my life. But reality is reality. Putting on a dress or stitching a flap of skin to your vagina does not mean you're suddenly the opposite sex. We all have to accept who we are, and trans people will never be the sex they want to be.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

by t do you mean trans people or transgenderism?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

trans people

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is coming from someone who detransitioned:

Personally, transitioning is NOT easy and I HATE how when those who are considering help for body disforia, many say that surgery and hormones will magically help.

It won't. That's not how it works.

I had extreme body disforia growing up, HATED that I was developing into a female. Hated how skinny I was. Hated everything. I wanted to be a boy because I thought then it would solve my problems. I was a "tomboy"(not a fan of the term to be honest) growing up and I would get mistaken for a boy or told I act "too much like a boy", so I thought maybe...maybe I should be one?

I've mentioned on many comments, I grew up in conversative, religious, household blah blah. I was locked up where my brothers were allowed to do what they want. Me? No, you girl, you cannot do what they do.

So it pushed me further into wishing I was a boy. I would close my eyes at night, and wish I could be "reborn" as one or just...die. That's how depressed I was. Getting surgery or taking hormones is NOT the same AT ALL vs being born one. I knew I would not be happy because I wanted to be born one...

Anyways, long story short...left household, realized I don't need to be a boy or man to do what I want to do. My interests dont make me "tomboy"or a "boy", just a regular human.

Also, if you look up surgery for trans, it is grotesque. They cut their body up to make fake genitals that look like cheap knock offs of the real thing. It's...not...even remotely the same.

Anyways,for young kids, I sympathize for them and hope they do not transition and try to work through it and have good support. For older people wanting to transition...I have slightly LESS sympathy. Most times, they are not seeking help but seeking attention.

I'm dealing with some MtFs in real life, one is daily because he is my boss the other is a relative who used to bully me and now...likes the same stuff I did as a GIRL(not as a WOMAN if you get the gist of what I say). So perhaps I am just being biased based on the situations I have with them in particular that makes me a bit...more...aggressive against it.