PROPAGANDA -UK INDEPENDENT- Trans struggle now same as gay struggle in ’80s (ummmm, NO)

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[–]8bitgay 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Homophobes often said things like "now we have to accept gay people, soon we'll have to marry them". And obviously it was a slippery slope. We just wanted (and still want) basic rights, we want to not be assaulted and harassed, to have the same civil rights... LGB people never fought for the "right" to have sex with straight people.

But with TQ+ activism it isn't a slippery slope. "Soon we'll have to date them" is already a reality in many communities.

This is just one of many ways in which we aren't going through situations that are anywhere similar. Homophobes used slippery slopes to condemn us, meanwhile people are raising valid criticism against TQ+ activism based on the real evidence that they see.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How can people say that?? No group in the first world today is facing the same persecution that gays were subjected to back then! There are controversies and struggles, yes, but I don't know of a single group that suffers from legitimate systematic oppression without support or has such a small minority as non-straights have

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bullshit. Even if there is some level of stigma against trans people in the U.K. right now, the government is still actively trying suppress it. From what I’ve heard about the U.K. in the 1980s, gays, lesbians and bisexuals were banned from serving in the military, it was illegal for local councils to promote same sex relationships as families, LGB people were often expelled from their homes, people in same sex relationships were often denied the right to visit their sick partners in hospital, LGB friends were dying, many people saw LGB people as a danger to children, many people who have murdered LGB people just for being gay or bi were given light sentences because of a “gay panic defence” and gay bars were the only venues where LGB people could be themselves. If there ever were cases of police coming to arrest people for making homophobic comments in public, then I will concede.

[–]BEB[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is super extra shameful is when gay men who were around during the 80s attempt to minimize just how horrible that era was for gay men.

As someone who remembers AIDs from the beginning, I think that anyone who does compare it to the self-inflicted wounds of the gender cult is deliberately minimizing what gay men went through, most probably because whoever is making the comparison between the 80s for gays and now for transgenders is being paid by the gender lobby.

Which is why, before AIDs gets rewritten by the Gods of Gender, like Stonewall was, it's important for gay men who were alive at the time to protest loudly and give the real version of what happened.

[–]fuck_reddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, just no, and there’s a major reason for it. HIV/AIDs was killing LGB people in droves. Pathogens are hypothesized to be a major cause of totalitarian sentiments. So a lot of anti-LGB sentiment and treatment was “justified” by HIV/AIDs. There is not any equivalent for trans people. At all. Edit: here’s a study that expounds upon the “parasite stress” hypothesis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3641067/

[–]GreykittymommaMagical lady 💜 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don't forget, now gay men ARE the real enemy HAHAHAHA sure they are... I'm damn privileged myself as a white bi woman so I better stfu, amiright?? These people need to read a book or even watch a film.

I weep when I watch things like "And the Band Played On" or "Boys Don't Cry". Though some tra might argue the latter is borderline trans affirming it doesn't belittle the fact it deals with violence directed at a woman having sex with another woman.

What about the woke version of "Brokeback Mountain"? That movie gave me feels as someone who had a gay ex come out to me and as a mostly closeted bisexual. Now, none of that matters, everyone is trans!!!

Quit appropriating our movement and then forcing us out. We will go to war to protect our rights. I support my gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. All you other people, form your own fucking band.

[–]emptiedriver 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People have such short memories. In the LATE 1990s! it was still a huge controversial and momentous occasion when Ellen came out on a national TV show. In the 1980s it was something that a lot of people simply did not speak about. It's not that there were people rolling their eyes or making fun, it's that it was shockingly awful to a vast portion of the culture, ignored in mainstream media and entertainment, something parents denied and many people hid in order to stay in families or just moved away to NY or SF. The discussion of trans people is all over the media these days, in plenty of mainstream government platforms, not to mention plenty of elementary schools. It's completely different.