DiscussionWas anyone else here a supporter of trans rights, until they went too far and started demanding unquestioning compliance from every corner of society?

submitted by ukrdude10 from self.LGBDropTheT

I didn't mind transgender people at all, and was generally a supporter of the QT+, but started questioning the ideology when they banned r/gendercritical and others, it seems to have gone from "I don't care which bathroom you use" to " you have to include us everywhere and take our penis/vagina or we'll destroy your life, you bigot."

I really couldn't understand why they wanted to censor speech, given that society was becoming so supportive of LGBT rights. Sorry if I'm repeating a common post.

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[–]germinare 44 insightful - 1 fun44 insightful - 0 fun45 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup. Reaching a breaking point with trans ideology where you suddenly realize how damaging and coercive it is, is actually a commonly experienced phenomenon called "peaking."

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 38 insightful - 1 fun38 insightful - 0 fun39 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. Seems like they’ve started to push everyone too far lately.

[–]JulienMayfair 36 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 0 fun37 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, I supported the general concept of trans rights, and I think trans people do certainly deserve full civil rights, but not past the point where they start infringing on the civil rights of others. That's where it all went off the rails for me.

There's also the fact that the trans demographic has gone through massive changes with the end of medical gatekeeping and the rise of self-ID, unleashing a flood of heterosexual male autogynephiles who were, historically, never part of the LGB community, which is all too obvious as per their behavior.

[–][deleted] 33 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 0 fun34 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was fine with it when it was essentially just being nice to people who were mentally ill. I didn't pay much attention to it other than that until the time came when I was called a TERF for not dating a trans woman.

[–]Happy_Blueberry3910 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was neutral till I read one article about TRAs using Discord to sell hormones to children.

Another issue: this leftist/gender bullshit that if you don't want to have sex with trans, then you're transphobic. Plus stories of bullied lesbians.

[–]ThrowMeAway2879 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I was a supporter of trans rights, mostly unquestioning. TWAW and TMAM just seemed like innocuous social support statements.

My support for the TQ+ ended somewhere around 2015 when the Emmerich movie 'Stonewall' was released and the TQ+ absolutely destroyed it with their false "it was a trans woman that threw the first stone!"-narrative. You didn't even have to like the movie (Emmerich isn't really a character-driven director and probably wasn't the best man for the job), but the misinformation campaign was so blatant, disingenuous and honestly hostile to gay men and lesbians, that it was an eye-opener. They'd rather destroy a fairly innocent movie about a landmark gay event, directed by an A-list director, produced by an A-list movie company, marketed to the mass audience, than to let go of their trans-washing of history. It galled me.

Around the same time the "It's not transphobic to not date trans people, BUT..."-argument started popping up around the internet and it was then that I was just done.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That argument also seemed to only point at LGB people, telling them they had genital fetishes. It never seemed to include straight people until recently, and you've seen what happens when they threaten them.

[–]GConly 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly didn't give it a second thought until 2019, when, having a long familiarity with the sex offending behaviour of men in women's toilets, I expressed concern about self ID allowing men free access to women only spaces.

After a discussion with a TW on Reddit it became blazingly clear that not only did he not give any kind of a shit about women being victimised, he was lying.

I provided him with multiple instances of men abusing this access, and five minutes later he was telling someone else on a different sub 'that has never happened'. Tried it with me a few comments down, because he forgot it was me that posted the links to the court cases.

Peaked soon after.

[–]julesburm1891 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. I’ve posted about it here before, but the thing that peaked me was bowling against a transbian. He had beat all the women in the group and was incredibly smug about it. So, I was just standing there in my rental shoes thinking, “a man in leggings is gloating that he just beat a petite woman in a sport that relies on grip strength and upper body strength. What the actual fuck?”

My partner and I were already on the same page in thinking it didn’t make any sense to lump LGB and trans people together. So, the next day, I vented my frustrations about the event to her. She told me about the old droptheT on Reddit and said, “it’s a place for people like us.” I started reading and realized there was so much more bullshit I hadn’t seen.

[–][deleted] 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wasn't an avid supporter or anything, but I was sympathetic to trans rights activism in general. I did have my suspicions about it though, as I was aware of their militance regarding TWAW and TMAM, how I had to perpetually walk on eggshells around them, and how Tumblr-y so many of them were. It wasn't until the banning of /r/gendercritical and co., the attempted cancellation of JK Rowling after a perfectly level-headed essay, and my own discovery of this sub I stopped turning a blind eye to the true nature of trans rights activism, and the toxic nature of the LGBTQ+ in general.

[–]wokuspokusWoman in a man’s world, TERF in whatever we call this madness 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, was sports that peaked me. That was the realisation it’s not a minority presenting as the opposite sex to alleviate a mental health condition, but a mysogynist movement.

[–]dreamgermsbisexual nightmare 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. The way they started harassing and encroaching on women’s spaces really peaked me. Pinning a dead rat on a women’s rape crisis center did not speak to me as activism for anyone except violent men. It isn’t about tolerance or acceptance. It’s about domination.

[–]AnokiFrench 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I did not care about trans people before , but when I peaked, I could not tolerate them and the antics they were causing

[–]AugustiJade 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have always considered myself a very open minded person. I have always upheld the idea that everyone deserves a better life, unless they hurt others. I was supportive of the trans crowd because my thought was that these are people whom are just trying to live their lives. "They're not hurting anyone", I thought. That was until I started getting to know them... They were, the majority anyway, overwhelmingly narcissistic. They weren't concerned with living a "normal life". They wanted everyone to know that they're trans and damn well everyone, even complete strangers, had to know it and accept it.

So, I started backing away from supporting them. The trouble with narcissists is that they must always have a victim. It's all about power to them. So it wasn't about letting them use toilet without being discriminated against - it was always about taking absolute control.

It is really no surprise that Aimee was a power mod on Reddit. And I'm certain he played a big part in having the lesbian subs banned. These are loser men with extreme fetishes and severe personality disorders whom would otherwise not be welcome in most spaces, that utilise being a "minority" to gain power they otherwise they would never get.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There was a small Iranian study (I think 70 or so) of transgender-identified males (IIRC there were no females) that found that they did have a much higher % of Narcissistic Personality Disorder than the general population.

In my experience, that has been the case - staggering amounts of narcissism among transgender-identified males, especially the autogynephiles (AGPs).

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea, for sure. It was the "cotton ceiling" rhetoric along with countless statements of "nobody is saying" and "this never happens" about things I saw and experienced regularly. Once you peak, you can't go back. It's a one-way trip down the rabbit hole. If they didn't get me with the "cotton ceiling" they probably would have gotten me with the sex denialism. But at the time, the party line was that "no one is saying that biological sex isn't real."

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I stopped supporting trans rights two years ago, after years of hearing about TRAs making unreasonable demands, colonising spaces that were meant for gay men and lesbians and controlling peoples language. Also, I watched the Mister Metokur video on the subject and that was the point of no return for me.

[–]MiaXiang 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I still am. Everyone is deserving of "rights". But "rights" has a definite and legal meaning, it doesn't mean the "right" to someone else's perception, sexual attraction, or even language. Those aren't "rights". Also, I make an absolute distinction between transsexuals and TRA assholes.

[–]JulienMayfair 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

People seem to have lost the distinction between civil rights and "what I want."

[–]insta 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“Rights” to many utopian idiots nowadays just means “things I like”. You can’t just slap the label “rights” on everything that sounds nice. It’s just the lazy man’s way of arguing politics.

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I said up thread that I believed that transgenders should have the same human and civil rights, and I do believe that about human rights, but then I remembered this interesting opinion piece I read by a lawyer who'd worked for the US government enforcing civil rights legislation.

She (I think the author was a she) was worried that if we changed civil rights legislation to ensure civil rights for transgenders, it would lead to a slippery slope, with other niche groups demanding that the law cater to their beliefs about themselves.

I don't remember her examples, but think about if Furries demanded that we consider them human animals and called not wanting sex with them "Furphobic" If you think that's far-fetched, a few years ago I saw a piece in I think, ROLLING STONE, about Furry acceptance.

And look how fast it went - 6 or so years - from "I just wanna pee" to if you don't loudly proclaim that biological sex is a spectrum or a social construct (or both!) you'll lose your job in academia.

So, I think perhaps society is better off sticking to this is a mental illness and rather than changing the body to match the brain try to encourage the opposite (like with anorexia) and leave the surgery to the intractable cases. In the meantime, encourage every person on Earth to dress and behave as "gender conforming or non-conforming" as they'd like, and encourage every person on Earth to accept that.

[–]strawberrycake 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

For me, my support ended when genital fetish/preference discourse was becoming popular (I literally saw it happen on Tumblr, they can’t deny it). I also discovered the lies about Stonewall shortly after by simply reading Wikipedia articles.

I love dick and man ass and no amount of brainwashing is going to change that.

[–]deliciousdogfoodmy name isnt a puppyplay reference i swear 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I was, until the moment where my sexual boundaries became an embattled rampart. I knew from that moment there was a rabbit hole involved and my support evaporated quicker with every step I took. Then the rest of it exploded into viscera when I saw what they were doing to children.

[–]slushpilot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure, yes. I always thought "live and let live". Until I realized some people just take advantage of that.

[–]plenty_water 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. Same trajectory. I think it's the case for many of us, since this really wasn't a big deal up until 2015. Before then, I didn't give a shit about trans people because 99.9% of the time that category consisted of formerly (or...currently) gay males. That demographic did not intersect with me, my dating pool, or my life in any way. I was like. Sure, whatever. Don't give a shit. Use the bathroom. But now it's different. Now they do pose a threat. It's straight males "identifying" as women, its the hemorrhaging of butch, gender non-conforming, and even...just..plain old lesbians, it's the transing of children, it's the reification of gender stereotypes, it's the pushing of boundaries, the eradication of spaces, the witch-hunting and demonization, it's A-Z fucking annoying and illogical. And now, here I am, jaded and critical of gender and of gender dysphoria. Although I have more respect for traditional tranSEXUALS, the demented nature of the queer movement has unveiled to me the illegitimacy of transgenderism in totality. Before, I didn't give a second thought to whether I believed being trans was real. I just accepted it. Now, I've thought about it in depth to the point that it's probably unhealthy because this whole thing makes me so angry. Now I'm certain that gender dysphoria is a mental condition that is produced by underlying factors such as OCD, trauma, and/or the immense pressure one places on oneself when they feel uncomfortable with the identifications they force themselves into. Dysphoria can be resolved through mindfulness and therapy - methods that are non-invasive, physically painless, and less of less exorbitant cost. Long story short, if this movement hadn't gone bat-shit crazy I would never had to have thought about it so in depth and come to the conclusions that I have arrived to that made me reverse on my former position. So to any TRAs angrily reading this: You're a bunch of fucking morons and go fuck yourselves. BYE

[–]BEB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't think too much about it at all, but then I lived 90% of my life during a time when your chances of seeing a trans person out and about were about 0. Good times ;-)

Had I thought about it at all, I would have been supportive of trangenders' human and civil rights, but only as far as they didn't encroach on the rights of others, which is where I am now anyway.