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[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is perhaps overly detailed, but I wanted to note some running themes in this account that we have all seen and discussed here pretty often, so those are written below.

Would recommend this, I've seen few articles about a LGB detransitioner and the impact of the whole process on their familial relationships. Really fascinating, very glad this woman shared her story. From the perspective of this woman's sister: it sounds like she's watching her sibling enter and leave a cult.


Themes in this detransitioner's account:

  • Sexual harassment, multiple experiences

repeated, unwanted sexual attention from various men in my life, including men who had authority over me and men I had trusted and thought of as family.

  • Discomfort with own body

The inner conflict from this was exacerbated by various factors, including something akin to body dysmorphia, depression...

  • Same sex attraction

...and the realisation I was sexually attracted to other women

  • Personality traits: timid, quiet, difficulty sharing one's emotions with others, believes that they might be "burdening" others by opening up

Being a quiet, timid teenager who was prone to feeling anxious in social situations, I found it difficult to tell others how I was feeling and I strongly opposed the idea of burdening others with my problems.

  • Online exposure

...Immersed in online trans blogs, Youtube channels and forums, I was finally given a name for my distress: gender dysphoria.

  • Suicidality

In the wake of this epiphany my mental health began to dramatically decline, culminating in a half-hearted suicide attempt in October 2012.

  • Obsessive focus on transitioning

I’ve always been a planner. Every room in my house has little piles of notebooks with my various lists, important dates and projects scribbled in them. I viewed my transition like another one of my projects... I continued to obsessively view the blogs and vlogs of trans men who had had these procedures. My goal to transition became my sole purpose in life and I was absolutely certain it was the right thing for me – I’d never regret it. It was almost an obsession.

  • Received no counselling prior to medical transition (occurred at Sandyford clinic in Glasgow).

During my one year wait I received no counselling or therapy, a fact I hid from my family. “I just assumed you were receiving therapy,” my sister says today.

  • Rigidity of habit? (studies suggest that people who identify as transgender average higher on ASD traits)

I struggle when my day-to-day routine has to change too much.

  • Substance abuse

The problem was that my day-to-day routine at the time consisted of waking up, drinking whatever was left from last nights binge, going out for more alcohol and then drinking as much as I could before passing out.

  • Inadequate mental health support OUTSIDE of gender clinic:

Begrudgingly, I agreed to my family’s request and signed myself into the Gartnavel Royal Hospital’s psychiatric ward. However, I would not remain an inpatient for long. The staff on the ward at Gartnavel made me feel hopeless and intimidated. They were curt and condescending, snapping at me and the other inpatients as if we were petulant children.

  • Inadequate mental health support INSIDE of gender clinic:

The specialist I was evaluated by was friendly and affirmative, never questioning or challenging my self-diagnosis of gender dysphoria. ... It was like he was simply ticking the boxes of a checklist, rather than making any real effort to figure out what was going on with me.

  • Anger issues, threatened estrangement:

“Séan kept us all at arms’ length,” Andrea tells me. “You were aggressive and disrespectful once you got on testosterone. You had so much venom. I felt like any sisterly bond we once shared was gone. It was impossible to talk to you and when I tried, you refused to listen. ... We all grieved for the loss of Sinéad because any semblance of her was gone and in her place was a confrontational, unpredictable man who always seemed one step away from walking out of our lives and never looking back.”

And, my absolute favorite...

  • Asked for help from therapists with detransitioning and processing the experience; received no help.

After more than a year of self-reflection, juggling my transition regret with my fear of detransition, and multiple useless sessions with counsellors who made it very clear that detransition was not a topic they were comfortable engaging with...

I even brought my best friend with me to one of my sessions – just to show someone else what it’s actually like – and even she, who had been pushing for me to give therapy a second chance was blown away by the lacklustre care given to detransitioners.


As her sister wisely puts it:

"...From the minute she starts to develop, a girl is sexualised and objectified and it’s not right. It shouldn’t happen, but it does. It makes perfect sense to me that the experiences you had in your teens onwards would make becoming Séan the perfect escape, especially since you were basically relying on online forums to diagnose you. I just wish I knew then what I know now so I could have done more. I feel like if you had turned to me instead of the internet then maybe we could have done some real soul searching and discovered how best to help you. Clearly affirming you as transgender and saying that transition is the best treatment was the last thing you needed to hear.”

[–][deleted] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Reading this as a desister hit so close to home. I'm still not done reading it, I had to take a break. Everything she said so far is true. The people who smile and nod and seem outwardly supportive are secretly mourning the loss of the person you're trying to bury when you transition. My friends admitted after I desisted that many of them were gearing up for me to change my name, and mourned that loss. My female friends especially didn't know how to navigate it, mainly because gender fuckery makes literally no sense. Was I still invited on 'girl trips' if I was no longer 'one of the girls'?

My mom tried to be supportive as best she could, but I could hear the sadness in her voice when she called me 'my -name-' instead of 'my girl' like she always had. I remember feeling both happy she was trying to respect my new identity and heartbroken at the same time.

I can only imagine this was even more intense for Sinéad having medically transitioned as well. I also appreciate that she transitioned in adulthood and had the courage to talk about this. Most female detransitioners transitioned as teenagers or children then detransed as adults. Few people talk about how being an adult doesn't magically make you immune to the gender cult. They are VERY persuasive. Especially to a young woman who is same sex attracted and sees that her femaleness puts a target on her back in the eyes of predatory men.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hey, I hope you're doing okay-- I found it really heavy to read as well, and I had the good fortune to avoid getting sucked in to gender identity ideology. I appreciate your comment; hearing your experience as someone who's detrans offers insight into the fallout that will inevitably come as more and more people detransition. I wonder what more we can do in this sub to support detrans LGB people; that's a lot of pain and stress to deal with.

Few people talk about how being an adult doesn't magically make you immune to the gender cult. They are VERY persuasive. Especially to a young woman who is same sex attracted and sees that her femaleness puts a target on her back in the eyes of predatory men.

I absolutely agree. I hear people speak disparagingly sometimes of LGB people who are sucked in, and I think it's neither fair nor realistic to the victims. Adults get sucked into predatory movements all the time; not just the religious cults like Scientology, but pyramid schemes (MLMs) and the like.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you. I think for the most part people are pretty receptive to detrans stories here, at least from the ones I've posted and the few other detrans people here.

I hear people speak disparagingly sometimes of LGB people who are sucked in, and I think it's neither fair nor realistic to the victims. Adults get sucked into predatory movements all the time; not just the religious cults like Scientology, but pyramid schemes (MLMs) and the like.

Absolutely agree. I carried a lot of shame and anger at myself for being sucked in for a long time. Partly because I always had doubts, and I didn't listen to them at first. I let other people convince me they knew what was best for me when I knew deep down it wasn't right.

But the thing is, everything you hear is positive. Side effects from T? Those are temporary. Your dysphoria will resolve itself once you start dressing more like a guy. Ribs hurt from binding? You're just getting used to it, or maybe you need a different one, but keep binding. It's good for you. It helps you pass.

Of course, none of that is true, but it's hard to see the difference between who is manipulating you and who is hurting just as much as you are, and is genuinely trying to help because they think they're doing the right thing.

That's what made me so sad about this story. She was surrounded by people who only wanted to help her, but knew any criticism would be taken as hatred. I hate the trans cult with a passion because it makes well meaning people inadvertently aid in their loved ones' self harm. It gives narcissists and groomers an opportunity to prey on vulnerable children, and cult leaders the chance to prey on vulnerable adults.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I believe Watson has done an interview with Benjamin Boyce a while back. And, I thought she had been banned (perhaps only suspended?) from Twitter.

[–]MyLongestJourney 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Her account is still suspended. Meanwhile blatant pedos and people who actually post rape and death threats still have theirs.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jessica Yaniv is still going strong on Twitter. Blegh.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

God who isn’t suspended? I barely use Twitter these days and recently learned when I accidentally followed a link to Twitter that my account had been locked for older tweets that some TRA clearly dug up. Twitter said to delete to have my account unlocked or that I could appeal, which I did. Surprisingly they granted my appeal on all of the tweets. Still don’t want to spend much time on Twitter but it’s BS they tried to take away my voice.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you, will look out for that! And wow, that is messed up that she was banned.