Indoctrination / DoublethinkMy Trans Girlfriend Doesn't Make Me Gay - Trans Ally Reaction - Pristine Propaganda

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[–]JulienMayfair 25 insightful - 4 fun25 insightful - 3 fun26 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

When I see couples presenting themselves to the world as being Unbelievably Happy, I have to confess that part of me thinks, "Let's just wait five years and check back." Pretty much every couple I've ever know that's determined to tell the world how in-love they are and how WONDERFUL their relationship is ends up splitting up, often very nastily. Think Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes.

In fact, I got in trouble with one gay friend for not taking off work to attend his wedding. The truth is, I knew it was destined for failure because of how hard they were trying to appear perfect. Two years later, I was right.

[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes.

Oh man, when he was jumping around super excited about her on the Oprah Show ... I was cringing and sending my thoughts and prayers to her. I knew she would be in for a world of hurt.

I agree with you to check back in 5 years. That level of "Unbelievably Happy" is very much fake and self-deception. I've known some very happily married couples who get along perfectly, and they don't ever do that. They are honest enough to admit "we love each other deeply and are devoted, but even we have our own issues".

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, every couple has issues. Human beings have flaws and make mistakes. Strong relationships have been through hard times, and they’re strong because they’ve been tested by these hard times.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It’s almost as if couples who genuinely love each other don’t need to convince other people that they love each other, because they know themselves. Sorry to hear about your gay friend, but hopefully he’s doing better now.

[–]JulienMayfair 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

To be honest, he isn't, so far as I know. He underwent a bizarre religious reversion back to his Catholic upbringing and, last time I heard, is celibate and obsessed with religion. I ran across his ex in a porn video.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

LMAO. That's quite the tragic. When you're sad about being single, remind yourself on how wrong relationships can make you suffer

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You ever hear about straight people coming out of miserable marriages or relationships, and then vowing never to date the opposite sex again and just be single? Your friend is going through the gay equivalent of that. Sorry he is going through that. Hopefully he finds a man who is kind to him. His ex is even in a more tragic situation, because if you’re in a porn video, it’s over, it can never be deleted. Hopefully the ex leaves the porn industry.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Especially the couple who got joined facebook accounts. You know they're fucked up lol

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 12 insightful - 10 fun12 insightful - 9 fun13 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

Gaydar go beep ... beep ... beep ... beep

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

2:00

we grew up in a small farming town - i transitioned really young

yeah they grew up in a small farming town so you can imagine how much conservative people were there

Hmm, I wonder why this effeminate boy transitioned?

[–]usehername[S] 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

He hits most of the talking points in this video and in the comments, including "straight is a myth" (translation: everyone's bi), if you say he's a man it's hate speech, if you ever question my ideology think of this "beautiful girl" being bullied. It's a great example of the average, uninformed "trans ally".

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

My Trans “Girlfriend” Doesn’t Make Me Gay, My Attraction To Him Does”

Joking. he’s clearly a GAMP

[–]MostlyLurking 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

I'd just like to point out that a lot of GAMPs are bottoms, that's why they need a chick with a dick. Some of them are AGP bottoms, too. (The problem with this is, most transwomen don't want to fuck male bottoms so GAMP bottoms tend to be single.)

Anyway, if you're a GAMP bottom and it's your dream to suck on and sit on a dick all day, you should know that you're some sort of bi/pan something. But some of these guys think they're straight.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What's a GAMP? Most transwomen today are heteros and regardless they're submissive sexually. Don't want to fuck anyone.

[–]MostlyLurking 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

A GAMP is basically a shemale fetishist. And yeah, I think about 80% of MtFs are only into real women and have a strong tendency to be submissive. The other 20% are the HSTS who don't want anyone even looking at their dicks. So the GAMP bottoms get nothing. I sort of know one online, he's into poop! A lot of crossdressers are into poop, and a lot of them are GAMPs. It's to the point where if you come across a GAMP online and he looks like a regular guy, you have to strongly suspect him of being a secret crossdresser. The poop is apparently a submissive thing, but it's so closely associated with crossdressing it seems like they think being a woman means being covered in poop? Gynandromorphophilia is considered a paraphilia, and paraphilias often come in twos or threes, so you'll see stuff like GAMP in combination with AGP and coprophilia. That's just my experience from looking at Chaturbate instead of YouTube vids.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting. I didn't know about the caprophilia stuff. Wow.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My theory on why all this seems so often to be related-- GAMP/AGP, crossdressing, bottoming, poop (ew)-- is that the first three (male fetishization of women) aren't where it all starts; it doesn't originate with guys' ladyfeelz-fantasies. Rather, THOSE are the product of a humiliation fetish. And what's the most humiliating thing for a dude? At least a dude who sees girls/women as inherently inferior? Why, being "feminized", of course! Hence the crossdressing, AGP, and GAMP (as well as the underlying paraphilia being so common among "transbians" that it even has a name: "sissy humiliation fetish")... and also, I suspect, the connection to bottoming/poop. Plus anything else viewed as a source of degradation.

Which means that, if such men are accepted as women, we're agreeing that to be a woman is to be inferior, degraded, humiliated... and to ENJOY it. Like they do. Otherwise, they're just gross sickos, and we can't have that! So women need to redefine ourselves according to their creepy misogynistic wank-narratives. In the name of feminism! Because what could be more in keeping with female empowerment than THAT?/s

[–]MostlyLurking 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, their conception of women seems so outlandish to me... it just doesn't have anything to do with real life, so I don't get it. I come from a background with a lot of female doctors and commie and anarchist chicks, so this inferiority thing doesn't compute in my mind (I don't hang out with communists or anarchists anymore). I kind of see this stuff as an extension of bottom psychology, which I've always had difficulty understanding. Here are the hashtags I often see in association with each other in cam whore land: #trans #sissy #slut #slave #dildo #anal #ass #dirty #nolimits #mistress #whore... so yeah, in their culture you're not allowed to say "poop", you have to say "dirty". But I like to say "poop" to them because it scares them. Another interesting thing is, if you see the #dirty tag, you're very likely to see the #nolimits tag, which is sometimes associated with pedophilia. Autogynephilia is correlated with autopedophila, but I think in this context they're trying to say they have no limits in terms of poop. Which means they eat it?? I don't know. I've seen the poop thing so many times with the crossdressers it just seems obvious that they're gross sickos, but I guess on twitter and reddit they don't talk about the poop so much. There's this very attractive (when dressed as a man) AGP guy I've seen on cam many times, for a while he broadcasted whenever he was sitting on the toilet. He'd wipe his butt and then sniff the tissue. Nobody ever said anything about it, I guess because he was so handsome and also kind of scary. He had an ankle monitor for awhile. He wouldn't be dressed up and on the toilet at the same time, though. If he was dressed up he'd often stick a purple dildo in his butt. He also had a habit of blowing meth smoke into his rectum with a piece of tubing, and then farting the meth smoke. His looks are often compared to Robbie Williams, but I think he's actually much better looking than that. For awhile he experimented with being nicer when he was dressed up, I guess because he thought it would make him more feminine, but he's naturally so mean he stopped doing that, lol.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

As evidenced by my other post on the notable absence of women trying to convince themselves and others that they’re def not gay for dating a trans man and the lack of media propaganda and Reddit echo chambers like r/sex enforcing that message too, I have to say . . . . This does just feel sad. No one’s buying it. If they did, we wouldn’t be hearing this message.

The other thing that bothers me is that these types of stories (not so much this one) are often presented as “Oh I didn’t know she was a he but I’m such a great person and love her anyway” when the way the stories play out, it does seem to be the case that these men (GAMPs) seek out trans women specifically. As someone on here said, the TW wants to be seen as just a chick but the GAMP views the TW as a chick with a dick specifically.

I have also heard a number of stealthiness stories with last second pre-sex reveals that have a disturbing pattern of the men walking away having an existential crisis and feeling profoundly uncomfortable and violated (as they were on an individual basis but likely also faced some societal pressure in going forward with it) while the TW is dismissive, devoid of empathy, and plays the victim. They are often so casual about it too.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Oh I didn’t know she was a he but I’m such a great person and love her anyway

They're lying.

The men who have sex with MtFs specifically go for them with total knowledge of who they're sticking their dicks into.

They just throw this old excuse because they fear being seen as gay.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is my impression as well. I don’t know how conscious the lying is or if they sip their own Kool-Aid but in both circumstances even guy is incentivized to buy into the lie and feed the other’s delusion/desire for validation, hence the prevalence of this “totes straight” propaganda.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t know how conscious the lying is or if they sip their own Kool-Aid but in both circumstances even guy is incentivized to buy into the lie and feed the other’s delusion/desire for validation, hence the prevalence of this “totes straight” propaganda.

Don't worry, they know they're lying.

They go for MtFs because of the dick, which explains why they don't target post ops at all.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Also, these men often don’t want to admit to being bisexual. Understandably, bisexuality is often looked down upon, even in liberal areas.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I would say that, in part, they don't want to come out as bissexual because they aren't bissexual.

Papers which seek to study GAMP sexual arousal patterns show that they do not express any sexual atraction to men who present in a 'standard' way.

They are attracted mainly to males who present as female and secondarily to actual females, but not men who present as men.

Because of this, 'pseudo-bissexuality' better describes them.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wait a second. Either this is getting something confused or I am. While I believe Blanchard (or someone else) has theorized that GAMP (attraction to feminized males) is a fetish that sits on top of heterosexuality, I thought “pseudobisexuality” is the term he used for AGP men who have sex with men not out of attraction but to affirm their “womanhood” and to be be desired “as a woman.” Also, I would posit because they think it’s degrading to be fucked by a man. I thought this was Blanchard’s way of explaining that AGPs are heterosexual even when they claim to be bisexual.

I have heard not “pseudobisexuality” refer to attraction to feminized males and women though. However more importantly, if someone is attracted to both women and feminized men, aren’t they still actually bisexual? They’re attracted to both sexes. Generally men who are attracted to trans women are very attracted to their penises. That’s kind of the point for them. I remember that I saw some stories from them on r/bisexual asking if they were bisexual or just sharing stories about their experiences. And they would talk about like just being attracted to penises and/or wanting to perform certain sex acts with penises but they had no attraction to the rest of a man and didn’t want a relationship with a man, and said they were otherwise attracted to women.

So maybe it depends on what that “attraction” looks like and what is going through their minds? Are they getting off to degradation/humiliation such that they actually are aroused by the idea of stoking their own sexual repulsion to the male sex? Is it purely sexual? Can they feel romantic attraction to such a person? Or do they only have attraction to them as some kind of porn fantasy/sex object? Are they compartmentalizing that person’s body parts? Is this why they call us genital fetishists? It is always projection, isn’t it?

Unless the person is attracted to stoking their own sexual repulsion to men, it does seem like it’s still bisexuality, albeit a very crude version and not one that I’m aware has a female equivalent. And not people I would want representing LGB/the bisexual community (sorry Bis). I would be interested to hear more Bis opine on this.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Either this is getting something confused or I am. While I believe Blanchard (or someone else) has theorized that GAMP (attraction to feminized males) is a fetish that sits on top of heterosexuality, I thought “pseudobisexuality” is the term he used for AGP men who have sex with men not out of attraction but to affirm their “womanhood” and to be be desired “as a woman.”

Yep, you're right on this one.

I just used the term because I personally think it better describes GAMP sexuality. Their attraction to the same sex manifests itself only on a specific context after all.

Generally men who are attracted to trans women are very attracted to their penises. That’s kind of the point for them. I remember that I saw some stories from them on r/bisexual asking if they were bisexual or just sharing stories about their experiences. And they would talk about like just being attracted to penises and/or wanting to perform certain sex acts with penises but they had no attraction to the rest of a man and didn’t want a relationship with a man, and said they were otherwise attracted to women.

And that's why I don't like to call them bissexual at all.

They do not express full attraction to men, but to a fetishistic image of 'women with penises', and by women, I mean actual women (or as close to) here.

This puts them on a strange place, as they cannot be simply defined as straight because of their fixation with dicks, but also cannot be defined as bissexual either, because as you put it, they aren't attracted to men who present as male.

So maybe it depends on what that “attraction” looks like and what is going through their minds? Are they getting off to degradation/humiliation such that they actually are aroused by the idea of stoking their own sexual repulsion to the male sex?

Well, the best way to describe it is as a fetish.

What they crave for do not exist in actual reality, because as we all know it, women do not have dicks.

Futanari express their fixation accurately: they want women, fully adult women, but with penises. MtF are the closest they'll get to this.

GAMP is similar to other unrealistic fetishes if we look using this perspective.

Can they feel romantic attraction to such a person? Or do they only have attraction to them as some kind of porn fantasy/sex object? Are they compartmentalizing that person’s body parts?

No, most of the time GAMPs simply view MtFs with a fetishistic eye, or in other words, 'pump and dump'.

The ones who actually marry them are bissexual men, most of the time at least.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, he's a GAMP, not a gay man.

Side note: I hate when GAMPs* that have gaslighted themselves to such a degree they literaly believe TRA bullshit try to pass their delusions as reality.

Case in point, 'gay men' who try to sell PiV sex as the gayest thing ever because they're fucking a FtM and do not want to admit their own sexuality and 'lesbians' who do the same.

*Fun fact: every single GAMP doesn't really believe in TRA bullshit, but just pretend to.

[–]usehername[S] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's crazy how they jump straight to gay (lol) even when the person has only dated the opposite sex their whole life, as if bisexuality doesn't exist.

[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

GAMP

For those who forget what that means (as I did):

gynandromorphophilia

GAMPs are men or women who feel sexually aroused by feminized men (who are themselves most often trans-identified males who've undergone some form of medical gender transition).

I hate when GAMPs* that have gaslighted themselves to such a degree they literaly believe TRA bullshit try to pass their delusions as reality

It bothers me too. I mean, the Kinsey scale is super easy and understandable, and this would make him a Kinsey 1. Like 99% heterosexual, and his only "incidental homosexual activity" would be where certain trans women are concerned.

He likes what he likes, and that's totally fine! Just admit it, instead of hiding behind half-truths and manipulating everyone else because of homophobia. The world becomes a much better place when you find some self-acceptance.

I mean, he doesn't have to shout it from the rooftops - "hey everyone! I'm in love with a dude who's a trans woman!" - it's their personal business. As long as it's not changing laws that negatively impact greater society, just find some peace.

[–]Rag3 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

👀 if you say so, GAMP.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I bet that the men - both the blond guy and the guy in glasses - will come out as bisexual in a few years. Or come out as gay, and the blond guy breaks up with his boyfriend.