Indoctrination / DoublethinkWell that explains that: Matt Lucas betrayed British lesbians for American money

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[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

The Americanisation of Western Europe could be our downfall. Don’t get me wrong, I love America and most Americans are cool. Unfortunately, multinational corporations and special interest groups have set themselves up in America, used America as their base, subverted America’s institutions and now they are doing the same thing in European countries, especially Ireland, Germany and the UK. These American based multinational organisations have a lot of money, power and influence. Fortunately, a lot of Americans are aware of how dangerous these organisations are, because they have to put up with them directly, and a lot of these Americans are fighting back. Now Europeans need to do the same, and not just the British.

Anyway, this is probably an unpopular opinion, but I despise drag culture. I believe that drag culture is poisoning the gay community. What it brave about a grown man wearing make up, a dress and behaving in such an obnoxious manner? It’s not funny, it’s not sexy and it’s not dignified. And yet, for some reason, we have allowed drag queens to be the ambassadors of homosexuals to society. I am not okay with this. At all.

[–]our_team_is_winning 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Thank you for saying this. We need all gay men to step up and denounce drag. I'm not a gay man, but I'm pretty sure your attraction is to men, not women. How would a woman costume appeal to other gay men? Who was drag ever designed to appeal to? Seems the whole purpose is just to laugh at women.

As for American corporations, please don't blame Americans. Big corporations set up wherever taxes are lowest. A lot of American people like to believe Europeans are better than we are and "traditional" (?) and don't fall for this corporate crap. I sat in the home of some British friends and watched them watch more hours of TV (mostly American TV) than the average American, eat tons of junk food, wear American brands, listen to American top 40... It's a choice. It doesn't matter what American corporations (and they're globalists really) throw at you, you CAN try to resist.

If Europe is "Americanizing" (multi national corporatizing), it is because young people don't care about their own heritage and traditions.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I don’t blame Americans for corporations behaving badly. I just blame the corporations. I also blame anyone who defends the actions of these corporations, regardless of their nationality, but especially Irish corporate apologists, because they are selling out Irish culture. Meanwhile, I have a lot of respect for Americans because at least a third, probably even three fifths, of them are actively resisting multinational corporations.

And yes, I hate European neoliberals far more than I hate American neoliberals. European neoliberals are everything bad that they accuse Americans of being. They call Americans fat, lazy, loud, obnoxious, stupid and uncultured. While there are a lot of Americans who are like that, those caricatures European neoliberals have of Americans only apply to a small minority. But here in Ireland, my family sits around watching mostly American TV and movies. The only time they watch Irish television is when they watch sport, the news, talk shows or Father Ted (which was coproduced in Ireland and the UK). Admittedly, most Irish television is trash unless you are fluent in the Irish language, but most television in general is trash. Don’t forget that a lot of Irish liberals have strong anti-American sentiment that has toned down only slightly because Biden was elected, despite how these same liberals:

  • get food McDonalds, Domino's and KFC are in Ireland, which are not healthy and are based in the US.
  • have accounts on American social media firms like Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. Nothing wrong with that, but they spend too much time on these platforms.
  • have iPhones. Well, more than half of them do. I do have an iPhone, and I’m happy with it, but Apple is an American company.
  • watch Hollywood blockbuster movies, which were made in America.
  • dream about visiting New York City, which is one of the last places in America I’d consider visiting.
  • adopt fads that started in America, like being non-binary or gothic.
  • call Americans intolerant, but stop speaking to you if you express an opinion they don’t like.

These people are so clueless. They are turning Ireland and other European countries into what they imagine America is like. Meanwhile, most of America is not like that all. Most of America is free, hardworking, self-sufficient, big into community building, neighbourly, open to debate, willing to agree to disagree, responsible and spiritually healthy. Traits that should exist in every country. Of course, because that America tends to exist outside of NYC, LA, Chicago, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle and Philadelphia, Irish liberals are unaware that this America exist, or dismiss that kind of America as being "racist and homophobic". I will be quick to admit that I don’t know much about America, because I have been to America. But I have listened to Americans from across America, rather than base my perception of it off of films and TV shows produced in LA, Atlanta, NYC or Miami. And if I was to visit America, I’d do a guided tour across different states to get a broader perspective rather than visit just one city.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I disagree with you a bit. Drag has been an outlet for self-expression for effeminate gay men for a long time now. The OG queens like Divine subverted the homophobic social norms of his time and made a mockery of it, Divine was also immortalized as the inspiration behind Ursula the sea witch in the Disney movie. To a certain extend I agree that modern day commercialized drag culture is very over the top, but the point of drag is to be intentionally obnoxious.

I hear conservative gay men and radfems repeatedly say they want more gender non-conformity but when it comes to drag it usually boils down to "oh no not like that". I have seen the same logic applied by radfems to criticize femboys, "oh no he's appropriating our divine femininity". On the contrary, I have never seen a single man get offended by masculine women or butches, in fact many butch women can easily get away with emulating "toxic masculinity" in lesbian spaces. So why is it when men are feminine, then its a massive issue? (I think I have answered my question here) In my opinion, drag queens and femboys are still way better than deranged MTFs who seek to infiltrate women spaces.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t have a problem with effeminate gay men. In fact, I encourage effeminate gay men to be effeminate if it means being sincere. But drag culture is insincere and fake. I still don’t like drag culture for the reasons I have mentioned above.

[–]DimDroog 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

in fact many butch women can easily get away with emulating "toxic masculinity" in lesbian spaces.

Omg, this just brought up a couple of unpleasant memories!

Idk why some lesbians (and straight women!) think it's cool to call other women c**ts, and whores.

You are a butthead doing that.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And a little on that subject, I still see GC people on twitter and such with the sentiment, 'You're not a real man' if you don't support us in this or that- Not realizing this kind of mindset is what started the trans problem to begin with, so they especially should know better.

Doesn't matter if the guy is literally Hitler in a dress going spinny. They are still a man. This arbitrary gender validation based on behavior instead of biology needs to end in order for GC to get what they are seeking. But sometimes, I think they are their own worst enemy.

P.S. Maybe the quirks of(at least English) language is part of the problem and masculinity should be changed to malesculinity so the double standard hanging out there would be more obvious.

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    [–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I believe that drag culture is poisoning the gay community.

    Drag has always been a staple of gay culture, so no problem there.

    You know what the problem is? The recent push to market it to kids. This isn't only an insult to drag itself, but also very fucked up to kids, who shouldn't be wearing heavy make up in their age, girls and boys alike.

    What it brave about a grown man wearing make up, a dress and behaving in such an obnoxious manner?

    Again, this is an inside thing.

    Like men who like to roast each other to show camaraderie, drag queens like to be eccentric and catty to socialize.

    [–]LushCanopy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The Netherlands has definitely become culturally colonized by the USA. Stuff like gender ideology, queer theory and critical race theory are pushed by the media/corporations in a very agressive way and without any nuance or criticism. I'm pretty worried about the future at this point..

    [–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Same with Ireland. Some of our politicians have called people far right just for raising concerns about migrants not integrating into Irish culture and holding onto their anti-gay views. But we do get a lot of our media from the UK, and the UK has lately been starting to criticise gender ideology. Ireland has a tendency to follow trends that are popular in the UK, so there is a sliver of hope for us. Hopefully Dutch people will wake up soon.

    [–]SapphicFox 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Lucas has always come off as a miserable , self serving person despite his 'comedic' personality imo. He's that one kid in your friend group that'll throw you under the bus for a chance to sit at the cool kids table for an hour. His 'comedy' is also very one note and his 'American gigs' in Hollywood have been pretty dire, Im honestly not surprised he hasnt done anything of much substance since little britain. All in all I'm more than happy to be 'the type of gay' that he doesn't associate with because this guy is the human equivalent of quicksand.

    [–]julesburm1891 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Tbh, I just wish he’d leave Bake Off because he’s not funny. He makes me cringe every time he attempts a joke.

    [–]Finnegan7921 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Couldn't stand him on Dr Who. Nardole was such a cringeworthy character.

    [–]julesburm1891 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    100% agree. Those episodes are just painful. I don’t understand why he shows up in everything I like.

    [–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The context of his cowardice and selfish greed

    [–]Dromedary 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Sort of funny, since Matt Lucas failed to pry a penny from America with his comedy.