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[–]Horror-SwordfishI don't get how flairs work 49 insightful - 1 fun49 insightful - 0 fun50 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Ugh I could only get through maybe half of this before I had to hit the back button because I just couldn't take the self-important bullshit anymore. I hate the idea that I, a gay man, must be exactly similar in ideology to every other gay man, like we're all just one big mass of queer and not that literally the only thing unifying gay men is the fact that we like dick.

I don't understand how these people just can't fathom that someone may not be obsessed with identity politics, that some (read: many, if not most) gay men and lesbians want to be "normal" and get married and have a family and not "queer the idea of marriage."

I want to live in my house on a corner lot in a quiet neighborhood with my husband and two dogs, and like... that's fucking it. I don't have rainbow flags on my house. I don't have fucking activist garden signs. I just want to live a quiet life and not have people beating down my door because they don't want a gay in their neighborhood. And guess what? That's what I do! And I'd appreciate it if I wasn't associated with self-absorbed twits that think the whole world revolves around them, but because I'm "LGBT" I don't have a choice! All this stupid identity shit is doing is making people like gay people less and less, and this article writer and the interviewees have the gall to play the, "I don't even get why people are mad, like, it doesn't even affect you at all mannnnnnnnnn," game.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 28 insightful - 3 fun28 insightful - 2 fun29 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I hate the idea that I, a gay man, must be exactly similar in ideology to every other gay man, like we're all just one big mass of queer and not that literally the only thing unifying gay men is the fact that we like dick.

I hate that idea as well. Why should I have to believe in multiple genders or support a certain economic system just because I am a man who wants to suck another man's cock? I like cock, but I also have my own beliefs and ideas. Some people might strongly disagree with some of the things I believe, but so what?

What you want in life is valid. I’m still trying to figure out whether I want to live in a small city, a medium sized town, or a village, whether I want to own a small house or a flat (apartment) or whether or not I want kids or even a pet. I know I would like to have a life partner, but I’m still not sure if I want to marry him or just cohabitate with him. But I do know that I don’t like it when people bother me about shit I don’t care about, or when people try to get me to believe what they believe in.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why should I have to believe in multiple genders or support a certain economic system just because I am a man who wants to suck another man's cock

Having thoughts of your own violates the mythical monolithic LGBT status the T know they've had to use to get power.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The T wants us submissive. Governments and soulless corporations want us submissive, though they want everyone submissive.

[–]millicentfawcett[S] 18 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

If it's any consolation I think the article says a lot more about them and like the NYT hit piece on British terfs a couple of years back (that this was clearly modelled on) it might not have the effect they are hoping for. What actually ends up happening is anyone reading who isn't a member of the church of queer gets confused and looks into the orgs they are slagging off. This is how The Peakening happens.

As an aside I find it quite funny that Terf Island and Mumsnet (lol) are apparently living rent free in the head of some American dude.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Another consolation is that if people who do not subscribe to the Church of Queer come across this article, they will learn that not all gay men subscribe to radical woke ideologies.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Indeed—the Streisand effect is in play here. That's part of what peaked all of us: The intensity of their efforts to silence dissent.

Spending your time making sure everyone sees you as a victim does come with the downside of your audience learning that others disagree with you.

[–]Dromedary 10 insightful - 7 fun10 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Haha. I love "Educate yourself!" from TRAs, because when normies do read up, they're even more horrified.

"Wait, they take part of your colon to form your..? And it ca semell like..? And how often are their complication? Really! And a phalloplasty is..? Wait, they do what with your arm? Let's see what it looks like.. OH MY GOD MY EYES! And you want kids on the path to THIS, ans well as permanent sterility and loss of sexual function? Medical patients for life? Jesus!". The more people read, the more they're peaked!

[–]spanishprofanity 33 insightful - 15 fun33 insightful - 14 fun34 insightful - 15 fun -  (1 child)

it warms my heart that there are enough of GC homosexuals for this trans simp to write an article crying about us 🥰

[–]CaptainMooseEx-Bathhouse Employee 22 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

There's a certain kind of gay man who embodies the gender-critical vibe. He’s white, middle class and exactly 45 years old, and even though he works as a corporate lawyer, he thinks teenagers with dyed blue hair are an oppressor class.

They really don't get that gay men put ourselves in the shoes of gay teenagers and understand what it's like to deal with these people on a peer level. Some of us are not that far off from our teenage/young adult years (which is why they need to paint the caricature as being a man in his mid-40s). We know what it's like to feel isolated when we try and access spaces that once prioritized same-sex attraction and think we are the only ones who can smell the bullshit.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 21 insightful - 11 fun21 insightful - 10 fun22 insightful - 11 fun -  (1 child)

Ironic coming from a group whose main leaders are middle-age white men larping as teen girls 🤡😭🙃

[–]millicentfawcett[S] 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This article is something else. Hitting that sweet spot of xenophobia and homophobia.

There is so much crap in this one article I don't know where to begin.

[–][deleted] 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Who's this article even for? All this does is show everyone that gay men also aren't on board with the gender nonsense in addition to lesbians. Which just drives a further wedge between the LGB and TQ+.

So, uh, thanks for making the public aware that we aren't all lunatics.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We need as many articles like this as possible so the normies understand WE'RE NOT THE SAME AS THESE LOONS and point their inevitable anger at the group actually responsible for the madness; TQ+ (aka their fellow heterosexuals) and not LGB folks. 🙏🏾

Once again, TQ+ are their own worst enemy.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The author just CANNOT fathom, for the LIFE of him, why so many gay men are having none of this trans nonsense.

Gee, do ya think it could have anything to do with the fact that: 1.] transgenderism is antithetical to the very CONCEPT of homosexuality (because that's based on biological sex, and excludes straight people); and 2.] trans people are seeking to REPLACE gay people (claim "gayness" for themselves, and change its definition in order to do so)?

Cuz with friends like THAT, gay men don't need any enemies.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 17 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

There's a certain kind of gay man who embodies the gender-critical vibe. He’s white, middle class and exactly 45 years old, and even though he works as a corporate lawyer, he thinks teenagers with dyed blue hair are an oppressor class. His Twitter Bio reads something like, “snarky prick taking aim at the tyranny of twaddle” or “why drink the Kool-Aid when you can have a lovely G&T?” His pronouns are “sod/off” or “jog/on.” He’s not especially interested in gay culture...

Excuse me? I'm an American and also I prefer Vodka. Thanks for the compliment though, I'm actually 52 <3

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

For this reason, it can be difficult to discern what it is that “gender critical” are actually so aggrieved about or where this is all coming from.

What we all thought before we decided to find out.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (6 children)

I was mindlessly doom scrolling on my phone in the midst of a sleepless episode but I've switched to my laptop now, such was my chagrin at reading this waffle.


despite being a civilization in terminal decline

The Empire is gone, and it's time we all accept that. I have to fish my own tea out of the harbour and nobody will ever call me memsahib, but it has to be said that the imperious attitude that comes with, well, imperialism is often a great comfort when the colonists get a little restive.

has focused on the cisgender woman at its vanguard

JK? Maya? Which cisgender woman? You can't make a claim like that and then not back it up (a theme we see throughout this 'article').

The UK’s high rate of homelessness amongst LGBT youth, the risk of deportation faced by gay asylum seekers, or the fact that homophobic hate crime has soared since 2015

Hard to find things to dispute about these points, really, except that the first two are not issues exclusive to homosexuals. There are plenty of straight homeless people too, and I imagine any number of straight people get their asylum claims rejected too. These issues, I think, need to be sorted out in totality, rather than doing the (what I feel is quite an American thing, to be honest) thing of asking 'But what about the gay homeless?' This is very much a case of all lives mattering.

Having successfully persuaded polite society that “TERF” is a slur, the British anti-trans movement now organizes under the banner of “gender critical” — a euphemistic moniker made considerably funnier by the fact that nobody is more critical of gender than someone who transitions.

That's funny, I always thought that transitioners were the ones who were most in favour of maintaining oppressive gender stereotypes, because without them their whole shtick evaporates into nonsense.

There's a certain kind of gay man who embodies the gender-critical vibe. He’s white, middle class and exactly 45 years old, and even though he works as a corporate lawyer, he thinks teenagers with dyed blue hair are an oppressor class. His Twitter Bio reads something like, “snarky prick taking aim at the tyranny of twaddle” or “why drink the Kool-Aid when you can have a lovely G&T?” His pronouns are “sod/off” or “jog/on.” He’s not especially interested in gay culture, and instead prefers the standard fare of middle-brow English liberals: George Orwell and The Great British Bake-Off; Solzhenitsyn and Strictly Come Dancing; comedy panel shows called “I’m Afraid I Haven’t the Foggiest!” and popular history books titled Bothersome Broads: A Feminist History Told Through 12 Grating Gals (which he “inhaled in a single glorious afternoon.”) His aesthetic crimes are gruesome and, more to the point, he is dedicated to making things harder on already vulnerable people.

This is gold, and I'm posting it in its entirety because I want to keep it forever. Also it's called I'm sorry I haven't a clue! and there's nothing wrong with Bake Off and Alexander Solzhenitsyn won the fucking Nobel Prize, and George Orwell is an important author who we all study at school, you can do a lot worse than their books. Would you be similarly blasé about Mark Twain or John Steinbeck? Probably, because they were straight white men and that makes your tiny American brain quiver.

There seems to be the concern that if gay men lump ourselves together with trans people — a group subject to greater discrimination — we risk being damned by association.

Stopped clocks and all that...

“GC gay men in the U.S. tend to be part of what I'd call a kind of anti-identitarian scene where everyone sees identity as a kind of red herring of politics — a distraction from things that actually matter,”

Perhaps you Yankees aren't so bad after all.

These men are spiteful and staggeringly unchic; they’re wasting their lives in the worst possible way— luckily, as a gay man, I am allowed to say so.

This is what it all boils down to, isn't it? Nasty British gay men rejected you because you're an American prick, you clearly don't like that some Americans like Doctor Who and Bake Off and decided to write a pissy, bitter article that paints you as the restive colonial we all know you are at heart.

What a cockwomble. Or is that too Anglophile-Tumblr for you?

[–]HelloMomo 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

The anti-Doctor Who bit is really weird. My oh my! Let's show how uncool, now unlikely to spread to other countries, this is by linking it to something that's lasted for decades and is very popular outside the UK...? And for that matter, Bake Off is certainly on the short-list of UK shows most popular in the US too.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

The vibe I get from this author is as follows:

Grew up and was probably into Dr Who, got really weirdly into Americans-Who-Like-British-Things Tumblr (I drink tea, I'm so quirky! #SherlockedInsideTheTardis) and probably wasn't part of the popular clique at high school. American, so I'm relying on American popular culture stereotypes here, but he was definitely a 'theatre kid'. Goes to some liberal arts college in the East of the US and ZOMG gets to study abroad in England for a semester?! dream. come. true.

Arrives on this sceptred isle, this other Eden and studies at some university like Anglia Ruskin or Lincoln, maybe a slightly more prestigious one like Bath or Bristol depending on the calibre of the college back in the States, but definitely not a university in London. One in the regions. One where people aren't used to seeing Americans and roll their eyes when they hear his loud, brash hear-him-before-you-see-him voice echoing in the corridors, or on his phone in the library. 'Oh hey Moooooooom'.

Realises quite quickly that Britain isn't the land of stereotypes that American popular culture has made it out to be and nobody is going to find him as interesting as he find them because actually it turns out that Britain, like the rest of the English-speaking world, has been saturated with American popular culture and politics for decades now, and nothing happens in America that isn't reported on here. Several sexual partners probably reject him too.

And so after a few damp, chilly months studying in a university town with nothing more exciting than a parade of betting shops and takeaways, he leaves this fortress built by Nature for herself, with few friends, not much in the way of academic progress, and a bitter, jaded view of the United Kingdom and everyone therein. No longer able to cash in on being the 'quirky guy who loves all things English' he finds a new home in identity politics, and shits out vitriolic waffle like this.


Absolutely, 100% untrue, all of it (probably? I guess I could check but who cares tbh, my version is better), but I had fun writing that.

[–]julesburm1891 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My experience with trans people in real life and online is that they’re all “grass is greener on the other side” people. They think all their problems would go away if they were the opposite sex. This attitude seems to bleed over in other aspects of their lives as well. “Oh everything would be so perfect if I lived in the UK!” “None of my issues would exist if I lived in a blue state instead of a red one!” “Everything would be great if I had a boyfriend or girlfriend!”

Idealizing anything and setting it up as one big solution is guaranteed disappointment.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If I had an english girlfriend with this humor I would feel so lucky. Awww!

But for real, it isn't just the english world which is saturated with usa media, is all the west and beyond.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Epic rant; This is creative and interesting as heck.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're too kind!

[–]fuck_reddit 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

“Has been described as a hate group by…” I hate when they pull this shit. Anyone can describe anything as anything. I can’t believe people fall for this shit.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I have been described as something of a genus by people I describe as very wise and perseptive🧐

[–]JulienMayfair 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Mostly British? I thought France wasn't really having genderism at all -- like much of the rest of the world.

[–][deleted] 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Monolingual english speakers tend to ignore everything outside of the Anglosphere.

I think they'd be pretty upset if they ever stopped and looked at Finland's position on trans issues for example.

[–]Destresse🇨🇵 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah... Well, about that. Minister of education recently vowed to make schools "better and safer" for trans people, so, you know. Access to changing rooms and all. 🙃

I really thought we wouldn't go there, and yet...

[–]GayBoner 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ugh ugh ugh does the author really expect their consistent blatant homophobia to change anyone’s mind???

[–]Criticallacitirc 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

The whole argument was basically being GC is stupid & uncool. 🙄

[–]yellowtail 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How is this any different than fox news hiring black hosts to attack black people? "Gays are pathetic losers and...theyre gender critical because theyre soooo unchic and they dress bad!" Ok? And he spends most of his time telling us how he's not sexually attracted to them? AND?