HomophobiaThe Rise of Gender Critical Homophobia

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[–]DrMantisToboggan[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

An interesting article from Kurtis, who I thought was once aligned with the GC movement. It's a decent take on TRA woke homophobia versus old-school homophobia from mostly heterosexual females.

[–]DimDroog 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you.

I just skimmed it, will read in depth later.

I wonder if people in the meat world realize how there is a battle for everything from the "T" onward?

Is it something that only terminally online people know about?

That said, glad I left the GC movement.

They had some good points, but I'm allergic to being told I must believe and think XYZ.

50 years of being in a cult has made me very leery of that mindset

I didn't like the term "TERF" used though.

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Kurtis, as always, is so well-spoken and I appreciate hearing his views. I share a lot of them in this area. I support RadFems, but I'll never be one of them. At most, I can only call myself critical of gender, not even "Gender Critical"/RadFem-aligned.

There's a lot of misandry in the GC/RadFem groups that I've observed, but that does come with the territory. They recognize the difference between the sexes, feel that women as a class are oppressed, and believe that patriarchy is the root of what's wrong with our society today. By nature of that belief, men are the oppressors, and gay/bi men are not exempt even if they are part of another marginalized group.

That's just not something I can support, even if I do find other areas we agree on. It's too rigid and black-and-white, and doesn't allow for the nuance that comes along with being human beings in different societies and cultures. And as Kurtis so eloquently notes, extremism and an inability to be flexible has created a horseshoe of homophobia.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, this is where I am too, and why I have no interest in participating in places like Ovarit. As a lesbian I tend to be very woman-centric by nature, and I find excessive man-talk off-putting whether it's pro or anti. But when it's coming from another man I don't really mind it. I feel at home with gay and bi men talking about men because I find open homosexual attraction comforting. I personally can relate to that even if mine is of the female variety.

The fact that I'm homosexual is pretty central to my perspective on gender and gender identity ideology and I am adverse to subscribing to any ideology wholesale. So it's no surprise that the perspectives that I feel most aligned with tend to be those of my fellow homosexuals and bisexuals who respect both homosexuality and bisexuality and the differences between them, even if we have different beliefs about a lot of other things.

The thing about self-identified lesbians like Julie Bindel (who Kurtis called out) is that she has a completely different understanding of homosexuality to me and does not respect bisexuality. While we both identify as "lesbians" we reached this conclusion based on different things and these differences are relevant to our perspectives on gender and gender identity ideology. So yea I don't expect her to represent me but sometimes we end up in the same place for different reasons. A lot of these women simply don't have to deal with the community contamination that TQ has caused. They don't have to find an LGB partner or LGB friends. And perhaps they already have their life partner. The rest of us still have to live in the communities that have been devastated by TQ, which make up the entirety of our dating and support pool.

I think it also comes down to the difference between being more anti- vs. more pro-. Sometimes the lines are blurred, but I want to be more of the latter and less of the former.

[–]strawberrycake 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s pretty rampant among radfems and the like. The few times I’ve lurked radfem places (I don’t comment on them) they tend to push weird conspiracy theories about gay men. I went to one where they were talking about a gay man speaking out on biological sex and someone ranked gay men HIGHER than straight men on who is least likely to get pushback for speaking out. There was another article pushing some conspiracy shit that claimed something like women have no importance in the lives of gay men which makes them more nefarious than straight men. Seriously.

Needless to say, lesbians in these spaces tend to call out others the most on their homophobia so I trust them the most. Still, it’s not a good look that they perpetuate this crap. It’s unfortunate that as a gay male I feel we are on our own. It seems every ideology and philosophy blames us for everything. Anything from natural disasters to women’s rights it’s always our fault. 🙄

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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