Transing ChildrenIf you dare criticize the trans ideology, you're hurting the gay/lesbian movement.

submitted by Kai_Decadence from self.LGBDropTheT

So I got this lovely gem of a comment on one of my latest videos and I don't even know where to begin with it.

To say children are being indoctrinated is the exact same thing right wing people say about gay people. And people are trying to make legislation against gay people “promoting an agenda” you’re legitimately ruining your own cause with this. Where’s you’re evidence to provide that children are being indoctrinated.

For context, I said that the trans ideology is pretty dangerous towards children because of how they're being sold the lie that they can change their sex and how they sometimes can get indulged with it where their parents will allow them to take puberty blockers, HRT, and even have surgical procedures, things that will indubitably cause health problems and essentially fuck the child up before they're even 21.

I also remember reading about the Tavistock clinic and how 35 psychologists resigned from there because of the huge influx of parents bringing their children in that has bordered around 5,000 children from what I read here Like I'm sorry but connecting the dots, how much you wanna bet that a lot of these parents fear that their kid might be gay and are trying to use the trans ideology to "Trans away" the gay.

But I'm not sure how to exactly respond to this. It's true that there are people, usually the conservative party that have been trying push legislation that negatively affects us homosexual people but I know that comparing discourse towards homosexual people and discourse between trans-identified people are not comparable but I'm just not sure how to approach comments like this and thought I should get some more opinions from other gays and lesbians here.

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[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This argument is so bad it's backwards. If we were accused of doing something wrong and now someone who forcibly associates themselves with us does that wrong thing, that is what homophobes will use to say they were right all along, the fact that someone is now doing that wrong thing while associating themselves with us.

Calling out people for doing that wrong thing and shaming and exiling them is the only thing we can do to prevent homophobia rising as the trans try to indoctrinate kids. It's so absurd

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Where’s you’re evidence to provide that children are being indoctrinated

You have straight kids in straight relationships insisting that they're gay or bisexual because one or both of them uses they/them pronouns or because the boy wears nail polish or the girl has a short haircut. And if IIRC, I believe the whole super straight movement started because some straight boy was getting harassed on tik tok for saying he wasn't interested in transwomen?

Like yeah, conservatives did make the accusation of indoctrinating children against us, and now you shitheads are basically proving them right in their minds. (Because of course conservatives will ignore the fact that gay kids are also being indoctrinated and harassed by TRAs, even worse than straight kids tbh). The whole problem is that you guys actually ARE doing the things they accused us of doing. You've empowered some HSTS to go harass straight people for not wanting to have a gay relationship with them and pretend it's actually a straight relationship. You've brainwashed kids and young adults into thinking they're gay or bisexual because they date gender non-conforming people of the opposite sex. This has caused the number of "queer" identifying people to skyrocket and unnaturally, falsely inflated our numbers. The end result is that it does kind of look like there's a "Homosexual Agenda" to conservatives, just maybe not in the way they meant. So thanks for that you dumbfuck shitlords.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

LOVE IT. I haven't been in school in years and I'm not on TikTok neither so I'm not exposed to the youth generation all that much but I remember the "Super straight" movement and how it was started by a young man (who was under the age of 25, I think he was 19 or 20) and that was the perfect example of how this trans ideology has been harming the next generation.

[–]JulienMayfair 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Where’s you’re evidence to provide that children are being indoctrinated?

I like to list the Gender Unicorn, as shown here:

https://transstudent.org/gender/

And the Genderbread Person, which is now in version 4.0

https://www.genderbread.org/

Both of these are aimed at kids, but the Gender Unicorn especially since it uses something that looks like a kid's cartoon stuffed animal as a promotional tool.

My problems with these resources is that they 1) Rely on very traditional gender role stereotypes, 2) Present gender transition as all "rainbows and unicorns" when it's actually something that has very serious, lifelong consequences for someone who chooses to transition, consequences that are beyond the ability of young children to comprehend, and 3) May cause students with autism, trauma, or other difficulties with social adjustment or development to misdiagnose themselves as transgender and attribute all their adjustment problems to the wrong cause.

It's definitely happening, and it's quite organized.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right exactly. The first thing that came to my mind was the "gender unicorn" example as well though I never heard of the "genderbread person" (lol). I was just questioning if these things were actually being put into school curriculum because I've only heard it referenced by two people (mothers) who brought this up.

My problems with these resources is that they 1) Rely on very traditional gender role stereotype, 2) Present gender transition as all "rainbows and unicorns" when it's actually something that has very serious, lifelong consequences for someone who chooses to transition, consequences that are beyond the ability of young children to comprehend, and 3) May cause students with autism, trauma, or other difficulties with social adjustment or development to misdiagnose themselves as transgender and attribute all their adjustment problems to the wrong cause.

Exactly. These children are being treated as guinea pigs and it's horrible because we've already seen how HRT and "gender surgeries" can have lifelong negative consequences on adults and it's inhumane to allow children to do the same thing wreaking havoc on their body and health before they're even 21. And like you said, it's already bad enough that these "specialists" cannot even describe and explain what "gender" is without using stereotypes of the opposite sex that are socially constructed and subtly enforced from the day we are born.

It's definitely happening, and it's quite organized.

And don't forget financially exploitable. Getting children to believe in gender ideology and urge their parents to let them get puberty blockers and HRT is money put into the pockets of these corporations. And if you can get these kids to get the surgeries, that's your lifelong patient right there. It's a goldmine.

[–]lunarstrain 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

To say children are being indoctrinated is the exact same thing right wing people say about gay people.

Some people say that Islam is bad, does that mean I'm not allowed to say Scientology is bad?

(I say Islam because people like this often feel that Muslims can do no wrong and all critique of them is Islamophobia.)

Just because it was incorrect regarding gay movement, doesn't mean it isn't correct in relation to the trans movement.

And people are trying to make legislation against gay people “promoting an agenda” you’re legitimately ruining your own cause with this.

Okay, sure. Whatever. I'd rather shoot myself in the foot by telling the truth and protecting children than be comfortable while watching vulnerable children be guinea pigs.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Very good point and you're right, it's better for us to be seen as the "bad guy" if it means protecting these children from being guinea pigs and wrecking their lives health-wise before they've even begun truly living. Look at Jazz Jennings. He was thrust into the gender ideology as a child and he has been robbed of having a normal puberty, sexual/romantic relationships when he turned 18 as he's been having so much difficulty finding people willing to date and/or sex him (turned down by a straight guy and a lesbian for obvious reasons). And he's in pain physically and has mental stunting more than likely due to the puberty blockers. The poor man is a wreck and they want to push other kids to have a similar fate? Get fucked.

[–]ElectraHeart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Something that lingers in my mind that a comment i saw on ovarit saying that the 'asexual' stuff they're pushing is just a cover for the harm they caused so when these kids grow up to realise the lies they were told, they'll hit them with its the allosexuals oppressing you, you were asexual all along. I don't know how valid this claim is, but something i've thought about much.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay now see, some would think that would be paranoia but I can actually see some potential validity in this thought. I wonder if this is going to happen with Jazz Jennings....

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]ElectraHeart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is just five geek social fallacies. Especially the first rule. Ostracizers Are Evil. This kind of thinking created all of the weird / horrifying subcultures like incels, mgtow's, mra's and the gender cult (this is one of the reasons, not the only one). What it does is that it creates a hugbox where everyone gets infected with the same radicalisation, and get more and more insane as the purity spiral descends.

Here's a link for the article, its worth a read: https://plausiblydeniable.com/five-geek-social-fallacies/