Homophobia"why is it that some trans lesbians have to disclose to cis lesbians about their condition rather than the other way?"

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[–][deleted] 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Lesbians do disclose that by calling ourselves lesbians. It's not our fault these morons keep denying what lesbian means.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 12 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah: what the hell WOULD lesbians "disclose", anyway? They're not hiding anything! And who informs people of the obvious? Do women go around "disclosing" that they're women, or humans, or alive as opposed to dead? No.

Lesbian: "I have something to disclose. I'm not John Wayne."

Everyone Else: "Uh... good to know."

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's funny, i didn't even think of that but this falls exactly in line with how they think "rape of terfs" is a valid way to respond when someone doesn't want to have sex with them.

When you explain to them exactly what you are by declaring it they just double down on dumb.

[–]Horror-SwordfishI don't get how flairs work 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is what happens when you live your life mostly online in echo chambers.

I find it a little disconcerting given that our acceptance is mostly limited to cutesy "trans girls are valid uwu you're so good at music" posts, but in practice we seem to be othered, like we're welcome in the community so long as we make it obvious to people about who we are.

That's probably because you are generally welcome in the community so long as you don't try to deceive people into dating you. Most people don't have a problem with trans people, they have a problem with deceitful people and would-be rapists. You being trans doesn't mean you're exempt from being considered an asshole.

Also, if you're seeing one thing when you're on TikTok or your safe space Subreddits and you're seeing something completely different when you dare to venture out into the real world, maybe that should clue you in to the fact that the internet and safe spaces are not indicative of the sentiment of the general population.

Is the idea of a penis itself disgusting to some given it's associated with men?

I can't speak for lesbians, but as a gay man, I'm grossed out by the idea of doing anything with a vagina. That doesn't mean that I think vaginas themselves are gross or that women are gross, I'm just turned off by them. Lesbians are not turned on by penises! It's really just that fucking simple. "Lesbian" does not mean "hates men" or "thinks men are all gross" or "is disgusted by penises." Stop defining lesbians by their relation to men!

There's burly men with vaginas out there, but you don't see preferences swinging the other way to dick only for lesbians that often.

There are exactly zero men with vaginas out there, and that sentence doesn't even make sense. If a lesbian sleeps with a delusional woman that calls herself a man, there are no dicks involved whatsoever. Also, the "genital preference" for lesbians will never swing to "dick only."

I don't want to be told I'm valid. I want to be treated like I'm valid.

Well, you can wish in one hand and shit in the other, as they say. If you don't want to be told you're valid, crying on the internet about it is going to have the exact opposite effect. If you want to be treated a certain way by other people then you're in for a real bad time. There are people out there that think I'm a jerk, even though I consider myself to be a fairly decent guy. I wish that no one thought I was a jerk, and I would love it if those people that do think I'm a jerk would treat me like I'm a nice guy, but, and here is the biggest point that I really wish I could hammer into the heads of all these people: you can't force other people to do, think, or say what you want them to and you need to get used to that if you want to live around other people.

Lord, I need to get away from this shit. It's bad for my mental health and overall mood. These people are so infuriating and oblivious and narcissistic and everyone else just validates that, which is even more infuriating. I like staying abreast of what's going on in our community, and I don't want to see the pendulum swing back to gay-bashing again because of these people, but it's just crazy to me that these people exist in real life and live their lives this way.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This may be odd but why is it that some trans lesbians have to disclose to cis lesbians about their condition rather than the other way? I find it a little disconcerting given that our acceptance is mostly limited to cutesy "trans girls are valid uwu you're so good at music" posts, but in practice we seem to be othered, like we're welcome in the community so long as we make it obvious to people about who we are. Genital preferences are one thing, but where it comes from as well is confusing. Is the idea of a penis itself disgusting to some given it's associated with men? There's burly men with vaginas out there, but you don't see preferences swinging the other way to dick only for lesbians that often. I feel like at some points I'd rather be called a slur than have exclusionary ideas with a coat of acceptance.

Yet if any lesbian called them men and said they weren't welcome because of their sex, she would be banned for "hate speech". When did biological sex become a slur??

I honestly feel like a mutant sometimes.

You are making yourself a mutant by harming your body to play pretend at being the opposite sex. Maybe listen to that voice buried deep inside you that whispers those words to you. It may be the last flicker of intuition you have left, nurture it.

I don't want to be told I'm valid. I want to be treated like I'm valid.

edit: just adding, I don't appreciate being told I'm valid or welcome here. There is a difference between being welcome and being wanted. We are ultimately treated as outsiders. If you don't want us around say so, if you do want us around, be inclusive. We are not weird experiments or experiences for you - we are people who feel love, passion, attraction, and longing. Treat us as such or piss off.

It is never enough. It will never be enough until every lesbian is either pretending to have a dick or taking dick sexually. This is a rapists rights movement, they can all fuck right off. No one is entitled to being wanted or loved, the only people who owe you unconditional love are your parents--these people need to work their issues out with a therapist, not the internet.

This is what happens when entitled men are coddled in their delusions and treated as "valid and real lesbians". Reality will continue to cast a shadow on his fantasy and the more the world around him enables the fantasy the more pissed they get that everyone isn't willing to play make believe with him 25/8.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fucking preach.

I feel so sad seeing the internet covered with such blatant, disgusting fetishization of LGB people. But there's got to be a turnaround sometime soon. So many people in countries all over the world are waking up to the reality of this child-abusing, predatory, homophobic and sexist movement.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, that title is a direct quote.

[–]Bright_paintingLoad, lesbian biologist 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I feel like at some points I'd rather be called a slur than have exclusionary ideas with a coat of acceptance.

I think he would sing a different tune if he were to leave his safe space and venture into the real world. He would be running back even BEFORE the really hateful people showed up and began throwing slurs after him...

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yay, you're back in here! :)

[–]Bright_paintingLoad, lesbian biologist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It just took me a while to get that this sub weren't down for good. Now me and my long biology rants is here again! :)

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I look forward to them :)

[–]MyLongestJourney 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The condition of not liking dick ?

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Being able to speak English and know what words mean isn't a condition, that's why. WTF.

I don't want to be told I'm valid. I want to be treated like I'm valid.

The taboo thing to say is that if you change yourself such that you are no longer a viable option for the vast majority of possible sex partners, you have indeed invalidated yourself in a gets-to-have-sex-with-intact-people context. But you want everyone else to pretend that you haven't. This is one big group "emperor has no clothes" circle-jerk.

edit: just adding, I don't appreciate being told I'm valid or welcome here. There is a difference between being welcome and being wanted. We are ultimately treated as outsiders. If you don't want us around say so

Pretty sure they tried that and got banned for it. Cute little gaslighting fantasy to imply that "actual lesbians" in that sub still have agency and a voice.

[–]MoutonelectriqueBland Straight ♀ 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because you tried the change the definition of lesbian but it doesn't really work like that.

Also, let's face it. You hardly have to disclose shit in real life because after five minutes, people know you're a bloke. But usually you remain in your online echo chambers and are completely out of touch with the real world. You're a sad man.

[–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

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